Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Website Forced To Issue Major “Clarification” In Mike Lindell Hit Piece
Palmieri Report ^ | August 12, 2020 | Jacob Palmieri

Posted on 08/12/2021 4:41:13 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-66 next last
To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Help me understand what that means, please! (I’m trying to follow the symposium when I can)


41 posted on 08/13/2021 2:11:24 PM PDT by Baynative ("A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Franklin
Well, you just contradicted Alderson there, because he said he did have access to P-caps, but he couldn't make sense of them. So obviously, he did get to review something. Perhaps not enough to decrypt them, but something was provided for analysis. Then you conflate him with two other guys you allege never saw anything. Why did Alderson get to see P-caps, but the two others you cite never saw anything? Something doesn't sound right there. Maybe someone like Bannon can get people who were there to give an account of who got to see the P-caps, who didn't and why?

I don't believe I contradicted Anderson. There was some other data provided regarding server images on Wednesday. Here is what the article said:

"When Alderson received Lindell’s data on Wednesday morning, he said it didn’t add up.

“We were unable to get the data from the actual 2020 election. Very disappointing,” said Alderson.

Some of his colleagues were discovering the same thing.

“But every person who came specifically looking for those p-caps was very disappointed. Some were somewhat angry,” said Alderson.


Again, Lindell offered a reward if someone could prove that his data didn't come from the 2020 election. No one present has offered proof that it didn't. "I can't decrypt it", or "I never saw the data" proves nothing.

I would suggest that no reward was going to be collected if the packet captures were not available or were so limited in quantity that a judgement could not be rendered by cyber experts who attended the Symposium.


On the Internet, everyone is an expert on everything. Again, if you weren't at the event, legally, all you offer is so much hearsay. Even if you were to be qualified as an expert on interpreting P-caps, since you never saw the data, you can't analyze the data. You just repeat so much hearsay and speculation, and as noted above, contradict your alleged sources.

Agreed! FR is full of lawyers, doctors, and everything in between as an example! ;)


More likely, Lindell only offered a very small sample for analysis, which was too little for those present to decrypt or conclusively analyze. That doesn't disprove his theory.

Not sure what the purpose of his $5 million dollar challenge was then. And again, unfortunately, all we are left with is a theory that is yet unproven.


Expert analysis from strangers wasn't his purpose in calling the forum. It was simply a method of drumming up interest for the event like a carnival barker. Ultimately, the matter should get decided by SCOTUS, not guys commenting on the Internet. Lindell did state that he had 12 different experts from across the U.S. confirm the data, including two government employees. When the court action is filed, that's the main event, not what happened this week.

Oh, the court action that people are talking about. We shall see.


Since Lindell has no standing to bring a petition for a writ of quo warranto, he would not be the one to use them in court. He's just the PR man working for more audits to produce conclusive evidence of the hack, i.e., the ballots themselves. You've missed the big picture here.

I don't think he has done his claims any favors with the problems encountered with the Symposium including data captures not being provided. I'm not sure I missed the big picture. But perhaps.

Again I’m sorry Lindell did not make his pcaps available for expert or public review. I believe his heart is in the right place, and that he was poorly served by his staff and those who did his pcap research. It's unfortunate he apparently is unable or unwilling to make some more all of the data public for the claims he has made. No one should get a pass on proving their claims on such an important issue. Including Lindell. I don't think he yet has proved his claims. But we shall see.



42 posted on 08/13/2021 2:55:09 PM PDT by Fury
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Fury
I don't believe I contradicted Anderson. There was some other data provided regarding server images on Wednesday. Here is what the article said

In the law, this is called "totem pole hearsay". The newspaper article is hearsay, and in it, they quote Alderson about what other people said. More to the point of you contradicting him, he was quoted as stating, "They thought they had those p-caps, and they were in such a format: encrypted, decrypted, et cetera and they came out as gobbly goo, no conclusive evidence that I could analyze." So, he got some data, but couldn't understand it. So, Alderson's "I can't decrypt it", doesn't prove that the data wasn't from the 2020 election. No $5 million for him...

I would suggest that no reward was going to be collected if the packet captures were not available or were so limited in quantity that a judgement could not be rendered by cyber experts who attended the Symposium.

Right, and Lindell knew that in advance. The man is no fool.

Not sure what the purpose of his $5 million dollar challenge was then. And again, unfortunately, all we are left with is a theory that is yet unproven.

The purpose was publicity. Trump himself says no publicity is bad publicity. He always thinks he can spin things to his favor. Lindell must think the same. He went on Jimmy Kimmel's show knowing he would be mocked, but he just wanted to do something to get the word out. Did he get more people to watch with that offer? I'm sure he did. There was a lot of other good things done at that forum, and information was disseminated.

Oh, the court action that people are talking about. We shall see...I don't think he has done his claims any favors with the problems encountered with the Symposium including data captures not being provided. I'm not sure I missed the big picture. But perhaps.

The best evidence that the election was hacked, is the ballots themselves. When the audits show that hundreds of thousands of ballots are missing, and they are required to be kept for 22 months after the election, things like P-caps and denied access to the routers allow courts to conclude the election was hacked and stolen. Maybe the argument can be made with just the P-caps, but any good lawyer would want to wait to audit the ballots first.

Again I’m sorry Lindell did not make his pcaps available for expert or public review. I believe his heart is in the right place, and that he was poorly served by his staff and those who did his pcap research. It's unfortunate he apparently is unable or unwilling to make some more all of the data public for the claims he has made. No one should get a pass on proving their claims on such an important issue. Including Lindell. I don't think he yet has proved his claims. But we shall see.

Not proving the claim at present doesn't mean that it is false, or it can't be proved later. Ultimately, this is all political. Things will play out. They have a plan. The audits are most important.
43 posted on 08/13/2021 4:14:26 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Franklin
Right, and Lindell knew that in advance. The man is no fool.

You know that how (that he knew in advance)?

Think about what you are claiming.

You are claiming that Lindell had no intention of paying the $5 million, as he knew IN ADVANCE that the packet captures were not available or were so limited in quantity that a judgement could not be rendered by cyber experts who attended the Symposium.

Think about what your assertion says about Mike Lindell. That he deceived people to attend the Symposium? I don’t believe that was his motive or plan - to have people attend knowing IN ADVANCE that the packet captures were not available. It’s unfortunate that apparently you do.

There’s not much more to write about if you’re suggesting the motives/actions decided in advance by Lindell. As you write, we’ll see how the legal activities go.

Good luck.

44 posted on 08/13/2021 4:46:16 PM PDT by Fury
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Flavious_Maximus
And right on queue the corrupt Biden regime has shut down https://lindelltv.com

Works for me.........Sheesh!

45 posted on 08/13/2021 4:51:08 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Without potatoes, life has no meaning......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Fury

Thanks. Yes, I am well aware of the challenges.

It’s tiresome to be constantly on the receiving end of such convenient excuse and deflection. I understand, believe me.

I try in my own small way; who knows who reads what I post, maybe it’ll reach through to someone. I’ve only advocated unbiased, objective self-education, ultimately. I’ve never had anyone reply with anything substantial; only more rabbit holes to dive into, deflections and distractions to “research on my own”.

Again, it’s tiresome, and I am so tired myself of all of it. I try to come on FR at times when news cannot be denied. Like the PCAP debacle for example. Who can deny that Lindell’s much awaited Symposium fell flat for that precise reason? After all it (the PCAPS) were the precise evidence he promised would return a “9-0” decision “reinstating” Trump.

Where is that now? Anyone reading this now I repeat the same question from a few nights ago? Where? Is the SC meeting now in a smoky backroom somewhere, about to “reinstate” Trump? Anyone? Buhler?

Not to mention the fact, that so many leftists have gleefully pointed out, THE SUPREME COURT ISN’T EVEN IN SESSION IN AUGUST! So even before the Symposium, Lindell’s claim was laughable.

Now even more so. To anyone with a shred of objectivity. But it’s already started, the continued deflection, obfuscation, yes the “grift” (which again I don’t think Lindell is a part of; I really do believe he’s a nice guy who got duped). But that doesn’t mean there’s no grift here.

“Oh, the PCAPS really weren’t important after all, we have THIS now to show....”

or..

“Oh, the PCAP data was compromised by the deep state, blah blah blah....”

Or...anything really to DEFLECT from the PROMISE made for MONTHS by Lindell HIMSELF, and nothing but an imploded nightmare of RIDICULOUSNESS is the only result.

It’s obvious, really; one doesn’t have to be a computer expert to even see it. Something was promised for months (”absolute proof” in the form of these pcaps) and at the last minute was not provided. Classic bait and switch. Classic con.

I only feel bad for Lindell. He is obviously losing it because he’s staring to realize he’s been had, and now faces a billion dollar lawsuit from Dominion with no “evidence” to defend himself in court.

Anyone who continues down this road is part of the problem in my opinion. Such people continue to deny reality and therefore, are part of the problem; dragging DOWN the conservative movement, dragging it down from intellectualism and rational thought, into the MUCK of “theory” on par with the “faked moon landing” and “Aliens landed at Roswell”.

Where’s the much promised audit report from Arizona? Wasn’t that supposed to be released in some week in June? Then July? Then first or second week of August? Did I miss it? Someone show me anything there of substance, please, maybe I missed it. Seems like another grift though to me. (I mean really, “Cyber Ninjas”, who ever took such people seriously, with such a STUPID name? But I digress....)

No audit report? No PCAPS? NO SALE to grifters anywhere!


46 posted on 08/13/2021 6:52:23 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Fury; Dr. Franklin

I suppose more to your reply to me, I’d offer the following to Dr. Franklin to consider: (from someone who was there, and IS an expert in pcaps):

https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/1426265467862327297?s=20

https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/1426234536309018628?s=20

Live thread from Symposium (goes for 88 separate follow up tweets through all 3 days, in the end, despite what GP and Steve Bannon, and Lindell himself may claim, the PCAPS were NOT given for independent verification therefore no verification of Lindell’s claim, AT ALL):
https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/1424878450867847181?s=20

Yes, apparently Rob Graham is part of the Deep State now. I wonder how “deep” it goes? < /sarc >

By the way, we (on FR) are all aware that “Q” is probably Ron Watkins right, of 8chan fame? Or at least he knows who “Q” is, and holds that identity “tight”, for security reasons dontcha know < /DRIPPING sarc >

SMH


47 posted on 08/13/2021 7:15:21 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Fury; Dr. Franklin

And speaking of Gateway Pundit, look at this:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/interesting-timing-one-mike-lindells-cyber-experts-waited-week-bail-china-hack-theory-speak-reporters/

Talk about “eating our own”. Apparently now this “Spider”, not to mention Montgomery himself (the apparent owner of all PCAPS everywhere) is being thrown under the bus for being a traitor. Or is it telling the truth before he’s implicated in a Dominion lawsuit himself? I can’t tell...


48 posted on 08/13/2021 7:22:26 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Partisan Media Shills suck.

49 posted on 08/14/2021 5:48:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Dr. Franklin

The Washington Times is the Conservative paper in Washington DC, not a random website.


50 posted on 08/15/2021 8:07:07 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rmlew
The Washington Times is the Conservative paper in Washington DC, not a random website.

So what's your point? Fox News bills itself as the conservative news network, but we all saw them get in front pushing the propaganda for the election coup. How "conservative" was that?
51 posted on 08/16/2021 4:17:01 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: FourtySeven
I suppose more to your reply to me, I’d offer the following to Dr. Franklin to consider: (from someone who was there, and IS an expert in pcaps):

This is a link to a tweet from someone who was apparently there, who may or may not be an expert in P-caps. The problem with your links is that I don't see any quotes supporting what you wrote. Furthermore, Lindell did not request that anyone attending verify his data. He claims that he has 12 experts who have already done that. Lindell did offer a reward to anyone who could prove the data did not come from the 2020 election, but no one supplied any data to prove that it wasn't. You appear to misunderstand for what the reward was offered.
52 posted on 08/16/2021 4:40:33 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Fury
You are claiming that Lindell had no intention of paying the $5 million, as he knew IN ADVANCE that the packet captures were not available or were so limited in quantity that a judgement could not be rendered by cyber experts who attended the Symposium.

More to the point, Lindell already consulted with 12 cyber security experts, and apparently paid them for their services. They confirmed that the P-caps came from the 2020 election. He really wasn't interested in getting additional opinions. He didn't ask for that. What he offered was a reward to anyone who could prove the data to have been faked. No one their presented any such evidence. If people attending wanted guaranteed access to all of the data, they should have gotten that in writing before attending.
53 posted on 08/16/2021 4:47:58 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Franklin

We’re talking past each other. We’re not going to see this in a similar way. It’s just the way it is.

Mike Lindell will have a chance to make his case at upcoming civil litigation if it gets to that point.


54 posted on 08/16/2021 6:24:58 AM PDT by Fury
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Franklin; All
Here is a link to GP with an interview with Lindell on Bannon's War Room:

Bannon’s War Room: Mike Lindell Clears Up Cyber Symposium Controversy – Patriot Legislators Form Election Integrity Caucus

It begins with a cyber expert who was there stating that Lindell's data looked legit to him. At the 4:24 mark, Bannon brings on Lindell who states that Merritt, (AKA "Spyder"), was an infiltrator attempting to sabotage the symposium. Lindell further states they have recordings of Merritt bragging about it, and those will be available at frankspeech.com. Lindell gives more details on other things as well.
55 posted on 08/16/2021 3:43:49 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Franklin

https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/1427040082184257539?s=20

https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/1427426139094532101?s=20


56 posted on 08/16/2021 5:58:01 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: FourtySeven
Robᵉʳᵗ Graham @ErrataRob ·
43m Lindell: "It was valid data from the 2020 election and nobody who came out of those [cyberexpert breakout rooms] can say anything different".
I was in the room. I say something different. None of it was valid 2020 election data.


Sure, your man can say that. He just can't prove it. So, no $5 million prize for him. But someone did answer him that the data was confirmed as election data from GA.
57 posted on 08/16/2021 6:10:02 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: FourtySeven
Robᵉʳᵗ Graham @ErrataRob Replying to @ErrataRob It actually does contain an AES encrypted line from the early voting information in Georgia, which is a public record.

Your man confirms the data came from the 2020 elections. He might want to see more, but he can't deny what he already confirmed. Sounds like another techie who doesn't understand contract law.
58 posted on 08/16/2021 6:15:38 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: FourtySeven
Robᵉʳᵗ Graham @ErrataRob Replying to @ErrataRob It also shows another feature: trying to analyze something to find evidence is hard -- but confirming the evidence is often pretty easy. There's still some work involved, but a lot less work. 6:51 PM · Aug 15, 2021·Twitter Web App

Sounds like your man confirmed that Lindell has 2020 election data. Are you still disputing that?
59 posted on 08/16/2021 6:20:27 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Franklin

Here’s a pretty interesting interview with Wiebe talking about Montegomery, along with election fraud more generally:

https://banned.video/watch?id=611f96b563db74600b02c158

Wiebe still very sharp, if you listen all the way through.


60 posted on 08/20/2021 8:28:25 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-66 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson