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THE GREAT REBELLION: An Important Order from Gen. McClellan; Strict Military Discipline to be Enforced; Editorial-The Other Side of the Story (8/1/1861)
New York Times archives – Times Machine ^ | 8/1/1861

Posted on 08/01/2021 7:03:59 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

WASHINGTON, Wednesday, July 31.

PASSAGE OF OUR TROOPS THROUGH MEXICO.

The Mexican Congress has granted to the United States Government the right of disembarking troops at Guaymas and marching them through Sonora to Arizona.

THE POSTAL TREATY WITH MEXICO.

The Postal treaty or convention with Mexico, the consummation of which, between the authorities here, you have been advised, has yet to be ratified by the American and the Mexican Congresses. It will, therefore, be some time before this treaty goes into operation. It is understood that this arrangement provides simply for the interchange of postal facilities between the two countries on liberal terms, said facilities being based on direct, frequent and speedy communication by steam between New-York and Vera Cruz, which communication it is supposed will be established.

The following order has just been promulgated:

HEAD-QUARTERS DIVISION OF THE POTOMAC, WASHINGTON, July 30, 1861.

The General commanding the Division has with much regret observed that large numbers of officers and men stationed in the vicinity of Washington are in the habit of frequenting the streets and hotels of the city. This practice is eminently prejudicial to good order and military discipline, and must at once be discontinued. The time and services of all persons connected with this Division should be devoted to their appropriate duties with their respective commands. It is, therefore, directed that hereafter no officer or soldier be allowed to absent himself from his camp, and visit Washington, except for the performance of some public duty, or for the transaction of important private business, for which purposes written permits will be given by the commanders of brigades. The permit will state the object of the visit. Brigade commanders will be held responsible for the strict execution of this order.

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KEYWORDS: civilwar
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1 posted on 08/01/2021 7:03:59 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 08/01/2021 7:04:45 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...

The Great Rebellion: Latest News from the Seat of Army Operations – 2
Gen. Banks’ Command – 2
Military Movements in Missouri – 2
Military Movements in Nebraska – 2
Interesting from the Extreme West – 2
Southern News through Louisville – 2-3
The Battle of Bull Run: Accounts from the Confederates – 3
A Speech from President Davis – 3-4
Incidents of the Battle – 4
Killed and Wounded – 4-5
Editorial: The Other Side of the Story – 5
Editorial: The Cabinet – 5
“Bad for Reporters” – 5-6
Editorial: The Health of the Army – 6
Editorial: Loyalty in Missouri – 6-7
About Prisoners of War – 7
More Activity – 7
The New Generals – 7
The Battle of Bull Run: Graphic Narrative (Adv.) – 7
Letters for Seceded States (Adv.) – 7


3 posted on 08/01/2021 7:05:48 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Here again is the summary of engagements "to date", the most recent being the Union surrender at Fort Fillmore on July 27.

There were two battles in New Mexico this week -- at Mesilla on the 26th and Fort Fillmore on the 27th -- both Confederate victories.
At Fort Fillmore 500 Union troops surrendered to around 300 Confederates, bringing total casualties on both sides so far to around 7,600.

Here then is a summary of 27 engagements to date:

  1. Virginia: 6 CSA victories, 3 inconclusive
  2. West Virginia: 6 USA victories, 1 CSA victory
  3. Missouri: 3 USA victories, 3 CSA victories
  4. South Carolina: 1 CSA victory, 1 N/A
  5. New Mexico: 2 CSA victories
  6. Maryland: 1 USA victory
Including the two engagements at Fort Sumter, there have been now 11 total engagements in two Confederate states, plus 16 engagements in four Union states.
It is, so far, a war of Confederate aggression against the United States.

DateEngagementMilitary UnitsLossesVictor
April 12-14Fort Sumter, SCConfederate artillery (Beauregard), Union garrison (Anderson)NoneCSA
April 15Evacuation of Fort Sumter, SCUnion garrisonTwo Union soldiers killed, four wounded by accidental explosionN.A.
April 19Baltimore Riots, MDMA 6th, PA 26th vs secessionist crowd4 Union soldiers killed, 12 civilians killed, hundreds woundedUSA
May 10St. Louis Riots, MOUnion forces vs secessionist crowd4 Union soldiers killed, 3 prisoners, 28 civilians killedUSA
May 18-19Sewell's Point, VAUnion naval squadron vs Confederate shore artillery10 totalinconclusive
May 29- June 1Aquila Creek, VAUnion naval squadron vs Confederate shore artillery10 totalinconclusive
June 1Fairfax Court House, VAdetachments from CSA & USA armies8 on each side, 1 each killedinconclusive
June 3Philippi, WVAUnion Dept of Ohio (McClellan) -3,000, CSA infantry (Porterfield) -800Union 4, CSA 26 (killed or wounded)USA
June 10Big Bethel, VAUnion (Butler) -3,500, CSA (Magruder) -1,400Union 71-total (18-killed); CSA: 10-total (1-killed)CSA
June 15Hooe's Ferry (near Mathias Point) VAUnion schooner Christina Keen; CSA Farmer's Fork Graysnone -- Christina Keen captured and burnedCSA
June 17Vienna, VADetachments from both Union & CSA armiesUnion: 12-total (8 killed); CSA: none reportedCSA
June 17Boonville, MOUnion Western Dept (Lyon) -1,700 vs. MO State Guard (Marmaduke) ~1,500Union: 12-total (5-killed); MO Guard 22-total (5-killed)USA
June 18Camp Cole, MOUnion Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate State Guards (~350)Union: 120-total (35 killed, 60 wounded 25 captured); CSA: 32-total ( 7-K, 25-W)CSA
June 27Matthias' Point, VAUnion gunboats ~50 vs. Confed garrison ~500Union: 1-killed, 4-wounded; CSA noneCSA
July 2Hoke's Run, WVAUnion Army of the Shenandoah (2 brigades, Patterson) -8,000 vs. Confederate Army of the Shenandoah (1 brigade, Stonewall Jackson) - 4,000 Union: 70-total (3-killed); CSA 23-total ( 9-killed)USA
July 5Carthage, MOUnion Department of the West (Sigel) -- 1,000 vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (Jackson) -- 4,000Union: 44-total; CSA 200-totalCSA
July 5Neosho, MOUnion 3rd Missouri vs. Confederate cavalryUnion: 137-total; CSA zero totalCSA
July 8Laurel Hill, WVAUnion Dept of Ohio vs. Confederate Army of the NorthwestUnion: 8-total; CSA unknownUSA
July 11Rich Mountain, WVAUnion Department of the Ohio (McClellan & Rosecrans) -7,000 vs. Confederate Army (Pegram & Garnett) -1,300Union: 46-total; CSA 300-totalUSA
July 12Barboursville, WVAUnion 2nd Kentucky vs. Confederate rangers & localsUnion: 16-total; CSA 1-totalUSA
July 13Corrick's Ford, WVAUnion Department of the Ohio (McClellan & Rosecrans) -20,000 vs. Confederate Army (Garnett) -4,500Union: 53-total; CSA 620-total CSA Gen. Garnett killedUSA
July 17Scary Creek, WVAUnion Department of the Ohio (Cox) -1,000 vs. Confederate Army of the Kanawha (Wise & George S. Patton) -800Union: 51-total; CSA 10-total including Patton woundedCSA
July 18Blackburn's Ford, VA (pre-Manassas)Union Department of NE Virginia (McDowell, Richardson) -3,000 vs. Confederate Army of VA (Beauregard, Longstreet) -5,100Union: 83-total; CSA 70-total CSA
July 21Bull Run/Manassas, VAUnion Department of NE Virginia (McDowell, Patterson) -54,000 (18,000 engaged) vs. Confederate Army of VA (Beauregard, Longstreet) -34,000 (18,000 engaged)Union: 2,708-total (481-killed); CSA 1,897-total (387-killed) CSA
July 22Forsyth, MOUnion Department of the West vs. Confederate Missouri State GuardUnion: 3-total ;Confederates: 15-total USA
July 25Mesilla, New MexicoUnion Department of the New Mexico (~300) vs. Confederate 2nd Texas Mounted Rifles (~380 +artillery )Union: 9-total (2-killed); Confederates: 19-total (13-killed) CSA
July 27Fort Fillmore, NMUnion Department of the New Mexico (~500) vs. Confederate 2nd Texas Mounted Rifles (~300)Union: 500-total (surrendered); Confederates: none CSA

4 posted on 08/01/2021 7:13:42 AM PDT by BroJoeK
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"The Battle of Bull Run: Accounts from the Confederates – 3"

"Editorial: The Other Side of the Story – 5"

Interesting to notice that, first, the Times prints whole articles from Confederate newspapers giving their version of Bull Run events, uncensored.

Second, the Times is still trying to put a happy face on a disastrous battle.
For one thing, they still undercount the Union KIA, which historians put at around 481, but the Times still says only half that.

Third, if we only count the killed & wounded, then the Union total was indeed less than Confederates -- 1,492 Union total casualties vs. 1,958 Confederates.
But the Union also suffered 1,216 "missing" vs. only 13 missing Confederates making the overall totals Union: 2,708 vs. Confederates: 1,982.

Bottom line: of 11 engagements in two Confederate states, the Union has yet to win even one.
But of 16 engagements in four Union states or territories, the Union won 10, Confederates 6.

5 posted on 08/01/2021 7:48:04 AM PDT by BroJoeK
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To: BroJoeK

Brilliant table and overview! Thanks exceedingly.


6 posted on 08/01/2021 9:23:39 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Watch "THE CHOSEN," about Jesus & the disciples He chose: https://watch.angelstudios.com/thechosen)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Bump


7 posted on 08/01/2021 10:08:49 AM PDT by sauropod (Amateurs built the ark; Professionals built the Titanic. Anon)
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To: BroJoeK

Nicely done. Thank you.


8 posted on 08/01/2021 10:59:28 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789! )
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