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“One potential hurdle for antibody-based vaccines and therapeutics is the risk of exacerbating COVID-19 severity via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). ADE can increase the severity of multiple viral infections, including other respiratory viruses such as respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and measles.”
1 posted on 07/29/2021 9:06:44 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
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Higher Death, Hospitalization Rates Among Vaccinated Individuals: UK COVID-19 Data

That can't be true. Mr. Fuaci and the pro-Poke FReepers have been telling me all day long that 99% of the hospitalized and dead are unpoked.

2 posted on 07/29/2021 9:09:41 PM PDT by Turbo Pig ('to close with and destroy the enemy")
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Terrible. Tragic. The UK mostly if not exclusively used the AstraZeneca vaccine. I had read here previously (maybe a little over a week ago) that hospitalizations in the UK were 60:40, unvaxxed to vaxxed. That is not a ringing endorsement. Perhaps the AZ vaccine is just not all that good. Or perhaps it is more prone to ADE. Or not good at the Delta variant. Or who knows what other factors? Maybe it’s just damn deadly when combined with the actual virus or its mutants.

From my friends in biotech, they generally regard the AZ vaccine as one of the weakest of the bunch. Hard to know what’s what with so much data being censored or unreported. FWIW, AZ is applying for full US approval. IMO they are way too late but perhaps there is more to an approval than just the US market.


5 posted on 07/29/2021 9:13:43 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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I wonder. My husband had to get the jab and he just went through a bout of walking pneumonia. He never gets sick.


8 posted on 07/29/2021 9:14:46 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (I do not recognize Biden’s authority.)
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Here Is there data:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001359/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_16.pdf


14 posted on 07/29/2021 9:32:15 PM PDT by NoLibZone (precedent now set: everyone must get an annual flu shot and divulge HIV status & its treatment)
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To: Jan_Sobieski; Turbo Pig
“One potential hurdle for antibody-based vaccines and therapeutics is the risk of exacerbating COVID-19 severity via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). ADE can increase the severity of multiple viral infections, including other respiratory viruses such as respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and measles.”
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Additionally, the mRNA injections can reduce the symptoms so that a inoculated person can be sick without knowing it. Thus it is spread by that person to others, and his own treatment is delayed and early treatment is a key to preventing hospitalization.

See the link below for some charts on this. And also notice that only the naturally immune group had anyone that avoided the acute infection.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3980364/posts?page=66#66

15 posted on 07/29/2021 9:32:24 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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The Doc who initiated the basis for these “vaccines” has come out repeatedly against them. Warning all about the dangers of them. This man has been CANCELLED on ALL social media. He has been Cancelled by the MSM. The mere mention of his name will get you banned from ALL Social Media and Ridiculed by many of those who foolishly took the Jab.
Only in a dystopian world would the person that is the founder of mRNA research be BANNED and Labeled as a kook for calling out the danger of this EXPERIMENTAL poison.


19 posted on 07/29/2021 9:35:56 PM PDT by ocrp1982 ( Bibicly)
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To: Jan_Sobieski; ransomnote

“ Higher Death, Hospitalization Rates Among Vaccinated Individuals:
UK COVID-19 Data “

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where are all the people on FR that have been scoffing at us plebes,
that if our concerns were at all real, we would be seeing something,
uh, like ^ this ^ happening…

?

And why is this extinction level event focus of the powers that be,
and of all their agents and bots and cheerleaders, so intensely insistent
that every jab is not nearly enough, forever and ever, amen…

?


23 posted on 07/29/2021 9:42:07 PM PDT by EasySt (Say not this is the truth, but so it seems to me to be, as I see this thing I think I see #KAG.)
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Imagine on Big Island there are 100000 old folks and 100000 young folks.

Let’s say the risk of Covid death is .5% for unvaccinated old folks and .1% for vaccinated old folks.

Let’s say the risk of Covid death is .01% for unvaccinated young folks folks and .005% for vaccinated young folks.

Imagine 90% of the old folks get vaccinated and 20% of the young folks get vaccinated.

unvaccinated old dead 10000x.5%=50
unvaccinated young dead 80000x.01%=8

vaccinated old dead 90000x.1%=90
vaccinated young dead 20000x.005%=1

The death toll would be 91 vaccinated, 58 unvaccinated.


25 posted on 07/29/2021 9:48:06 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Over 6x more likely to die from the delta variant. The cynic in me says "Hmm, successful demonstration of the technology. Release the xxxx variant..." Which will have a *much* higher death rate - you could say something in the "vaccine" even acts as a marker, to enhance the effectiveness of the xxxx variant. Of course the elite will have gotten the saline placebo. The culling of the herd begins...

Just cynical paranoid daydreams, but what if they're not?

26 posted on 07/29/2021 9:51:49 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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I believe they use the one-shot AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK as well as what we use.

Most people in the US get the two-dose mRNA vaccines, which I believe are more effective.


29 posted on 07/29/2021 9:56:11 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Whoever would have thought?

In before the vax shill brigade to try desperately to discredit these stats also..


42 posted on 07/29/2021 11:28:08 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…..)
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Useless without an age breakdown of both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

The elderly are more likely to have been vaccinated. Just the age difference alone could account for it.


46 posted on 07/30/2021 3:31:03 AM PDT by DannyTN
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I'm tired of hearing so much about vaccinations and so little about immunization. Properly administered vaccines should result in the same number of immunizations. One immunization per properly administered vaccine and/or inoculation. "Vaccination" is what they call for the most but shouldn't we also be hearing more about the desired effect(s) such as "inoculated" and "immunization"?

NO VACCINATION WITHOUT IMMUNIZATION!
47 posted on 07/30/2021 3:49:54 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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Speaking of the UK. Check out the dig at US refuseniks. And how Brits don't need a mandate cuz they're so obedient...

JAB SECURITY Brits should get double-jabbed before returning to the office but vaccination WON’T be compulsory, says Grant Shapps

48 posted on 07/30/2021 3:54:35 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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