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Gas Engines, and the People Behind Them, Are Cast Aside for Electric Vehicles
WSJ ^ | 23 July 2021 | Mike Colias

Posted on 07/24/2021 9:01:09 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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To: DUMBGRUNT

Engines that use some external source of heat, and heat water to steam, to drive either a turbine or a closed-cycle piston arrangement to provide rotary output, were also tried early in the development of self-propelled vehicles.

If there is no reclamation of the exhaust steam, through a condensing system that recycles the spent steam as hot water, then the system is just too wasteful of the water, and is subject to having an adequate resupply of water, which for steam purposes, has to be free of virtually all minerals and most other contaminants. But back in the 1920’s a fellow Abner Doble, made just such a steam-powered automobile. It was vastly superior in almost every way to the leading steam powered car of that time, the Stanley Steamer, but the Stanley brothers thought they knew everything there was to know about steam automobiles. Doble could not get adequate financing for his projects, and he fell into the mistake of building virtually every example as a custom design, never settling on one design that could be mass produced. But as innovative engineering goes, they were marvels. Jay Leno rebuilt one using some more modern materials and technological advances, and it performed most magnificently. It is QUIET, with astonishing acceleration for such a heavy vehicle, and able to cruise with modern day traffic.

What is needed to provide an adequate heat source, may come from propane, or compressed natural gas, or even have a very small version of a thorium-fueled molten salt nuclear reactor, which can be scaled down to fit aboard an automotive platform. Minimal to no emissions, relative rapid start-up, and economical of fuel resources.

But of course the star-gazing engineers will continue to putz around with batteries and battery charging systems, and smaller, lighter “more efficient” battery arrays, of which, most designs are either impractical, or have some really sensitive issues concerning reliability.


21 posted on 07/24/2021 9:35:55 AM PDT by alloysteel ( Cows don't give milk. You have to work for it.)
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To: cableguymn

If current trends are any indication, the has to run those big blocks will be a luxury.


22 posted on 07/24/2021 9:37:00 AM PDT by Data Miner
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Another reality impacting transportation is the ability to have satisfying travel experiences without even leaving home, like, LSD, man. LOL. Seriously though, the reasons for travel may be lessening as many experiences and goods can be delivered (yes, vehicularly - although micro maglev infrastructure could impact that, too).

Subsurface micro-maglev delivery systems would be interesting.


23 posted on 07/24/2021 9:38:08 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (No audits. No peace.)
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To: Tolk2112

“I’ve been seriously considering an electric powered generator for when we lose electricity here.”

I’ve been looking at gas generators. How convenient would be to be able make your own gas? I think Home Depot has them.


24 posted on 07/24/2021 9:40:55 AM PDT by suthener ( )
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Gonna make it just like playiing a video game.


25 posted on 07/24/2021 9:41:25 AM PDT by ex91B10 (Just because you can doesn't mean you should. )
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To: antidemoncrat
If you park an electric vehicle in your garage, make sure your fire insurance is up to date and covers that kind of fire.

I can see detached garages becoming the norm again.

26 posted on 07/24/2021 9:42:30 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

My new RAM 1500 Pickup has an eTorque Hemi, so it’s “sort of” a Hybrid. At least that’s what I tell people when they ask. I just need to get a Hybrid Graphic to put on it.

I have nothing against Electric Vehicles. The problem is poor people won’t be finding any used and abused $500 Electric junkers when they need a Car for basic transportation.

No problem though, I’m sure the DEMONCRATS will pony up the money for their Voters. Maybe they should design a People’s Electric Car.


27 posted on 07/24/2021 9:43:12 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Trump - Make America Great Again / Biden - Make American Grovel Again...)
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To: Pollard

—”only the wealthy will be able to drive which is what I think they want.”

“a chicken in every pot and two cars in every garage”

So much for that plan...
But it would be nice if ALL drivers had a valid license and insurance. That alone would remove about 20% of Chicago drivers.

My beloved P1800s was creamed by a jamoke that had neither.


28 posted on 07/24/2021 9:44:44 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

The biggest problem with EVs is the electricity source. They don’t want to build coal or natural gas because of CO2 emissions, like the gas they want to replace. As enamored as they are with wind and solar, those are not reliable for the wider grid. Hydrodynamic requires the right terrain and they don’t like the dams blocking the rivers. Geothermal works in some places but not most. That leaves nuclear power as the last best option.

On the subject of solar, I have been looking into getting it for my home and no one will call me back. Not a single installer within 100 miles has responded for weeks. WTF is going on with that?


29 posted on 07/24/2021 9:44:50 AM PDT by Data Miner
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To: Data Miner

put a ethanol carb on it and brew your own.


30 posted on 07/24/2021 9:47:48 AM PDT by cableguymn (We need a redneck in the white house.... But the fact checkers said the story was false!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
In the early automotive days there were cars that ran on electricity and wood (steam) as well, they died natural deaths.

The majority of production steam cars ran on gasoline or kerosene.

31 posted on 07/24/2021 9:48:12 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Der Impfstoff macht frei.)
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To: crz

Pure insanity.There is no grid strong enough for these fantasies.


32 posted on 07/24/2021 9:49:51 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: Kickass Conservative

The Democrats will have public transportation that comes to your door by then. Just be sure you have a sign that reads: No Cash. No Valuables. Along with I am wearing a Chasity Belt. To ward off rapists. This applies to both sexes. Genders are on their own.


33 posted on 07/24/2021 9:50:24 AM PDT by sport
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I don’t know about having a car assembled by minimum wage workers. No experience necessary?


34 posted on 07/24/2021 9:51:12 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
And with offshoring any and all manufacturing to prevent any possible pollution...

Yes, pollution in China stays in China.

35 posted on 07/24/2021 9:56:57 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Der Impfstoff macht frei.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The moronic SOBs have NO IDEA what the Law of Conservation/the 1st Law of Thermodynamics consists of. Plus, it was discovered/promoted by a bunch of “white guys” so it must be completely evil and untrue.
But, hey, if it makes em “feel good” and that they’ve “done something”, give the dumb bassturds another pudding pop and capitalize on their stupidity..


36 posted on 07/24/2021 9:57:10 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (Pray for America....)
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To: Renfrew
I am not an expert on EVs, but I do have to deal with infrastructure-related implications of EV proliferation as part of my work. Based on my experience, I have determined that these comments about "sufficient overnight grid capacity to charge EVs" don't really address the issue adequately. Having sufficient electric power generating capacity to charge EVs overnight is only one small part of the picture, because many people are going to need an assurance they'll be able to recharge their EV anywhere and at any time before they'll even consider buying an EV for everyday use.

Ask yourself how practical your gasoline-powered vehicle would be if you could only refuel it between 7:00 PM and 7:00 AM. It doesn't make it a useless vehicle, but losing that flexibility adds a complication to the refueling process that makes the vehicle a lot less attractive to you as a motorist.

I have said all along that EVs will not be accepted for widespread use unless motorists have confidence that they'll be able to recharge their batteries not only at home, but at these types of places in particular: (1) where they work, (2) where they shop, and (3) where they travel for entertainment. This isn't just a grid capacity problem. It's a charging infrastructure problem.

37 posted on 07/24/2021 9:57:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Renfrew
They take about half the total hours, and those hours are less skilled

While the Government is handing over our tax dollars as large incentives so everyone can afford an EV, Ford and GM are using invest in Mexico. Nice.

38 posted on 07/24/2021 10:06:56 AM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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To: alloysteel

The Vapordyne steam car:

The Lear steam-powered Indy car...
https://vault.si.com/vault/1969/02/03/let-there-be-steam


39 posted on 07/24/2021 10:07:31 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: suthener

All one would need is a still.
I’m not sure a modern “emissionized” engine would hold up to running moonshine though.

I do have a vietnamese lawnmower that I picked up recently, pretty sure that will run on just about anything.
It’s actually quite surprising that they were allowed to import it.


40 posted on 07/24/2021 10:08:02 AM PDT by Tolk2112
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