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Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns
The Guardian ^ | 7/15/2021 | Melissa Davey

Posted on 07/16/2021 3:31:18 AM PDT by semimojo

The efficacy of a drug being promoted by rightwing figures worldwide for treating Covid-19 is in serious doubt after a major study suggesting the treatment is effective against the virus was withdrawn due to “ethical concerns”…

He found the introduction section of the paper appeared to have been almost entirely plagiarised.

It appeared that the authors had run entire paragraphs from press releases and websites about ivermectin and Covid-19 through a thesaurus to change key words. “Humorously, this led to them changing ‘severe acute respiratory syndrome’ to ‘extreme intense respiratory syndrome’ on one occasion,” Lawrence said….

“Because the Elgazzar study is so large, and so massively positive – showing a 90% reduction in mortality – it hugely skews the evidence in favour of ivermectin,” Meyerowitz-Katz said.

“If you remove this one study from the scientific literature, suddenly there are very few positive randomised control trials of ivermectin for Covid-19. Indeed, if you get rid of just this research, most meta-analyses that have found positive results would have their conclusions entirely reversed.”

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: 5bucksworthofmeds; delusionalqlowns; ivermectin; melissadavey; mentalillness; obsession; studydewormed; theguardian
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To: Texas Fossil

Doctors are not God.


You’re telling that to a doctor. It would be extremely hard for her to believe it.


61 posted on 07/16/2021 6:48:59 AM PDT by TTFX ( )
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To: nitzy

That is clearly a false flag
All that has been said is that this study which is withdrawn for ethical issues of plagiarism which contributed to the largest positive ivermectin result in the meta data has severely diminished the overall claim that ivermectin is an efficacious treatment. The majority of studies demonstrate that ivermectin has weak impact. This was THE study with the biggest number. So understanding what a meta analysis is withdrawing this study severely compromises the analysis and leaves with smaller studies of equivocal results. Exactly what we are swing in practice. This study was quite an outlier.


62 posted on 07/16/2021 6:51:25 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: nitzy

That is clearly a false flag
All that has been said is that this study which is withdrawn for ethical issues of plagiarism which contributed to the largest positive ivermectin result in the meta data has severely diminished the overall claim that ivermectin is an efficacious treatment. The majority of studies demonstrate that ivermectin has weak impact. This was THE study with the biggest number. So understanding what a meta analysis is withdrawing this study severely compromises the analysis and leaves with smaller studies of equivocal results. Exactly what we are swing in practice. This study was quite an outlier.


63 posted on 07/16/2021 6:51:39 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: semimojo
Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns over Trump endorsement
64 posted on 07/16/2021 6:54:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston? )
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To: semimojo

Big Pharma has a very evil side.

Are you really that naive?

There are good drugs they have produced as long as they stay the hell out of politics.


65 posted on 07/16/2021 6:58:17 AM PDT by dforest (huh)
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To: TTFX
Doctors are not God:

Dec. 14, 1799: The excruciating final hours of President George Washington
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/dec-14-1799-excruciating-final-hours-president-george-washington

Note: neither link in the article work now.

from article:

This 12-page letter is a treasured document at the William Clements Library at the University of Michigan. Another handwritten copy of these notes reposes in the University of Virginia Library.


Here are a couple of sources for the notes

Tobias Lear's written account offers a detailed view of Washington's last moments.
https://hsp.org/sites/default/files/attachments/transcription_tobias_lears_account_of_george_washingtons_death.pdf

George Washington: Eyewitness Account of his Death
https://doctorzebra.com/prez/z_x01death_lear_g.htm

66 posted on 07/16/2021 7:07:51 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: gas_dr

You never did respond to my posting about the study that Ivermectin improves survival by 200% for those... what was it, already hospitalized, or already in the ICU?

I pinged you three times.


67 posted on 07/16/2021 7:16:27 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: gas_dr

Does plagiarism invalidate the clinical results?


68 posted on 07/16/2021 7:17:27 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Mom MD
A series of 1 even if the ivermectin helped, which is not proven, proves nothing.

Yes, but whatever evidentiary value it does have, favors Ivermectin.

Especially given the relevant co-morbidities.

69 posted on 07/16/2021 7:19:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: gas_dr

“The plural of anecdotes is not data”.

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the quack.


70 posted on 07/16/2021 7:21:18 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: gas_dr

Top Kek.

Of course it was an outlier. Big Pharma MUST have a lack of other treatments to have Emergency Use Authorization.
So is it any wonder there were a lot of small, hasty, poorly designed studies designed to DEBOOOOONK Ivermectin?


71 posted on 07/16/2021 7:23:40 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: semimojo
100's of studies showing early use effectiveness of ivermectin (and HCQ) in treating covid.

https://c19ivermectin.com/

https://c19hcq.com/

72 posted on 07/16/2021 7:24:35 AM PDT by TruthWillWin (Joe is not my POTUS)
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To: gas_dr
This is a detailed stepwise approach to survive a disease that can be very deadly that is actually based on good data verified by studies

Thanks, Doc.  I understand where you are coming from and appreciate your advice.  We have a problem in our state.  The Governor is our roadblock in receiving the "MABs" or Regeneron.  Use off-label in this state and your license is revoked.  You see advertisements for Regeneron at our local infusion center, but the Primary Care Physician is locked out - you have to go to the so called Covid ICU doctor.  How many ICU docs do you know who are PCPs?

The problem you are missing is, "How many want to be hospitalized before treatment?"  This is the major ethical problem I see within current medical practice.  Can you see how far the medical profession has fallen?  I don't mean what I say, or am asking, in any personal way - I simply do not like what I see happening.  We can all go into the minutia of all the medical trials and papers, but that is truly irrelevant, at least until doctors can again become doctors (PCPs) as those who were in private practice, not an extension of government controlled institutions as large hospitals or academic propaganda machines.  Possible you can give advice on how to get monoclonals (monoxlonals?) in a rigged system?

73 posted on 07/16/2021 7:49:29 AM PDT by Silent One ( )
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To: semimojo

The efficacy of a drug being promoted by rightwing figures worldwide for treating Covid-19 is in serious doubt after a major study suggesting the treatment is effective against the virus was withdrawn due to “ethical concerns”.
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Damning details starting with the first sentence...Not sure exactly who the right-wing figures are...but Dr. Kory is the most well-known, strongest proponent.

So first sentence of the “article” is not only incorrect but it shows the bias. Dr. Kory a practicing PHYSICIAN who is “promoting” Ivermectin because he has found IT WORKS ON HIS PATIENTS has stated he is a liberal and a Democrat. He stated this on the Dark Horse Podcast, Brett Weinstein, creator of the podcast and a PhD Evolutionary Biologist, is a liberal as well. Weinstein taught at Evergreen State College in Washington ~ one of the most liberal until he got into trouble for taking a “color-blind to race” stance which offended the nascent BLM movement on that campus.

Billions of dollars on the line, I suspect a setup so the study would fail...In fact, a couple weeks ago, I read something on FR about there being concerns about this very thing.

Sounds a lot like the Hydroxychloroquine smear—Yet Zelenko is nominated to receive a Nobel prize for his work using it in treatment of COVID.

OK I will try to read more of the article, but after the first sentence’s faux pas, it is not easy.


74 posted on 07/16/2021 7:53:10 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (If I wanted to live in China, I would move there!)
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To: Silent One

I don’t disagree with you in the least
I cannot stand that I cannot give regeneron is the hospital. It makes little sense to me. A whole lot of people are denied treatment for no good reason except some idiot bureaucrat who never stood at bedside thought this was a smart idea

As for the other issues I don’t know what to say. The majority of residents coming out have been told they need milk and cookies in their first year have strict time standards and as such are graduating into a job instead of a profession. There are still some good private practice independent physicians out there that actually will fight for the patient but our next generation of doctors are exactly as they are in real life. Shift workers without any interest in owning their own practice. They are content. Ring employees.

I do network across the country with doctors who are blessed by autonomy and are happy practicing medicine. The number however is dwindling.


75 posted on 07/16/2021 7:55:54 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Mom MD

Pious?


76 posted on 07/16/2021 7:57:23 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (If I wanted to live in China, I would move there!)
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To: Silent One

One more thing. Unfortunately I have seen the enemy and it is we as physicians. About 25 years ago we were too busy running around to make dollars instead of running our hospitals and practicing. This gave rise to nonclinical administrators. In general hospital administrator teams are in direct competition with scum sucking bottom dwelling trial attorneys in terms of damage to medicine.


77 posted on 07/16/2021 7:58:29 AM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Mom MD

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/


78 posted on 07/16/2021 8:01:22 AM PDT by Osage Orange (DRT)
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To: gas_dr

Is regeneron from convulsant plasma?

I donate convulsant plasma and was wondering what the name of the treatment was. Though my last test showed my active antibodies are decreasing to the point I won’t be able to that much longer.


79 posted on 07/16/2021 8:03:16 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: Mom MD
but if you dare say ivermectin does not work the posse of pious harpies and Q followers will attack viciously…

Sounds like some pretty vicious name-calling there. 😏

80 posted on 07/16/2021 8:03:21 AM PDT by Allegra
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