Posted on 07/13/2021 10:35:21 AM PDT by Capt. Tom
This was supposed to be a summer of love for the cruise line industry, but the bounce for Carnival , and Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings is starting to take on water.
Carnival -- the world's largest cruise line -- has just one cruise ship currently sailing out of Florida. Royal Caribbean and Norwegian Cruise Line are also finding it hard to build momentum during the peak summer travel season. With the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis trading shots in disagreeing with sailing guidelines, it's the cruise lines that are now caught in the crossfire. Shareholders and cruise line fans are starting to pay the price.
Shore excursions Governor DeSantis was standing up for the cruise industry just a few months ago, battling it out with the CDC over requirements that each individual ship complete costly test sailings or demand that 95% of passengers -- and an even greater number of its crew members -- be vaccinated to resume operations. Just a few weeks ago, he was threatening cruise lines to fine them if they required that passengers wear masks out of Florida-originating itineraries.
The fallout isn't pretty. According to The Miami Herald, Carnival will be joining Royal Caribbean in requiring that unvaccinated passengers older than 12 buy new COVID-19 travel insurance if they're leaving from Florida ports come August.
Now we're at the point where the brands may be forced to alienate some customers as the restart process gets politicized between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.
Carnival, Royal Caribbean, and Norwegian Cruise Line are generating negligible revenue. International travel restrictions remain in place. All three cruise line stocks are now roughly 20% below where they were earlier this year. In short, it hasn't been such a bon voyage.
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This guy is wrong...
Carnival has already had 2 ships return and go out again and the cruise lines would be fined if they asked whether or not passengers were vaxxed or not...masks were not required....
Cancelled for what reason ???
“The government should just butt out and let the cruise lines run their own business.”
One of the Cruise Lines, Norwegian; is fighting back. You can read about it below: -Tom
What laws have been passed to protect private businesses from covid lawsuits?
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Some vaxxed cruisers who maligned the unvaxxed and wanted to cruise all by themselves, had a cruise booked for about 2 weeks from now...They just got the virus last week while at a party with their fellow vaxxed friends....
Gee I guess those super spreaders wont be cruising now...
I’ll be the outlier here.
I believe that if a Cruise Line, which is a Private Business wants to require that their Passengers are Vaccinated before Boarding their floating Petri Dish, they should have that Right.
Nobody is putting a Gun to your head when you Book a Cruise that has that requirement for Boarding. This isn’t a Godfather Movie.
Agree or disagree, whatever.
Before anyone asks I have been on two Cruises myself.
An excerpt from Cruise Hive:"All guests not vaccinated, including children, will need to be tested onboard. Carnival will add $150 per person to guests’ accounts. This testing does not include the mandatory negative test result that guests have to show before boarding the ship but is for a test during and towards the end of the cruise.
In this case these cruises were already booked and fully paid for...These rules were not in place at the time of booking ....
Carnival told the people who requested exemptions that there would be tests but for the July and August cruises they would be free...
It was 3 weeks later that Carnival renegged and now are charging for those tests and requiring the travel insurance....
BTW the so called fully vaxxed passengers are not tested and the travel insurance is optional...any virus breakout will start with the vaxxed passengers who are free to mingle with the locals in the foreign ports or bring it onboard with them in that Florida port...
BTW the unvaxxed must wear masks...the unvaxxed can go anywhere barefaced...
Do you not see a nutzy problem here ???
That would be a fear many passengers who travel with a spouse or others, would have; that a person in the party would not be allowed to board the ship.
What a predicament. -Tom
Thanks for the clarification. So ... a lot of fol-de-rol to appease the commies. Cruising was fun while it lasted.
As a test, I think a couple of the lines should offer cruises for only non-vaxxed people. It would be interesting to see how that would be received.
Very well said; and just another problem for the super sensitive Covid Cruise Lines, when the passengers go ashore on their own, as we always have. -Tom
My solution: Get the vaccine then take invermictin two days a week for two weeks to kill off the spike proteins in the blood vessels which trigger platelet clotting.
Just a theory at this point but my post-vaccine headaches have already diminished after the first week’s invermictin dosage. Btw I rarely had headaches before the vaccine. After the J&J they were daily.
I agree.
Once they changed the terms of the deal, it’s on them.
I was speaking in general terms, not a specific instance where everything is best described as a Fustercluck.
Each month is different...right now the passengers on the Sept/Oct cruises are holding their breathes wondering what the rules will be....
BTW for the July 17 sailing for the Vista out of Galveston the parents didnt find out if their unvaccinated children were exempt and allowed to cruise until 2 days before...eventhough the requests had to go in a month before...
Not just alienated cruisers.
I often made fun of cruises. In my early/late 40s I planned a vacation for myself and wife, children from 8 to 28, and a grandparent, who loved cruises. Who suggested a cruise might be a way to let everyone do what they want, in a climate where I can keep an "eye" on them. Worked out great, and subsequent to that I've taken many warm weather cruises as an alternative to spending beach time at a resort. See a bit more, and imo less expensive. Covid arrived, I've been on several trips to Mexico which I've enjoyed. 30% hotel occupancy cap and desperate employees won't always be there, but it could affect my choice on future trips. And if you recall 2019, remember the industry was thriving not only on high occupancy and pricing but their emerging ability to attract younger passengers. Witness Richard Branson and VirginCruises. Now two ships, adults only, aimed at the below 50 market. Thanks to covid they've never sailed, but we'll see if this delay has put a dent in their demographic marketing plans.
Will be interesting to see what will happen to pricing 6 months after they're able to operate at capacity.
My guess, most former customers will be there, the new customers they were anticipating will probably take several years of marketing.
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