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Dr. Bret Weinstein: ‘Perverse Incentives’ in the Vaccine Rollout and the Censorship of Science [h/t Robert DeLong]
theepochtimes.com ^ | July 3, 2021 | Jan Jekielek, Dr. Bret Weinstein

Posted on 07/10/2021 2:40:52 PM PDT by ransomnote

Mr. Jekielek: You’ve called the mass vaccination of COVID-19 the biggest gain-of-function experiment ever. What does that mean?

Dr. Weinstein: Well, what we are doing is unusual. We are deploying a novel technology that contains the code for a very narrow antigen signal, and we are deploying it into an active pandemic. And because the vaccines are not perfectly effective at preventing breakthrough cases, they are effectively exerting a very strong kind of selection on the virus.

And there’s every reason to worry that this selection will drive the evolution of escape mutants. That is to say selection in favor of mutations that make the virus invisible to the aware immune system that has been alerted by the vaccines. And that could produce an ongoing pandemic, where we might end the pandemic if we were to approach it differently.

Jekielek: So how is this different than in a typical situation where you would use traditional vaccines, for example?

Dr. Weinstein: Well, a traditional vaccine, you would deploy where there was a very low chance of contact and a long-lasting immunity. And what that means is that the majority of people who would encounter the pathogen would be immune by the time they did encounter it because the vaccine would have had time to fully develop the immunity and there would be negligible selection in favor of escape mutants.

In this case, what we have is two things. One, we have the incomplete effectiveness of the vaccines, which means that within people who have breakthrough cases, the immune system is exerting a selective pressure against variants that are easily seen and towards variants that—

SNIP

...in addition to people within whom you would have the selection is we also have people who are in the process of developing immunity because they’ve been vaccinated and they’re perhaps between the two vaccinations or the immune system is simply taking time to learn the lesson of the protein that is being used to train it. For those people, their incomplete immunity also constitutes an environment in which selection can cause the evolution of escape.


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KEYWORDS: covid19; vaccine
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[h/t Robert DeLong] Excellent, thoughtful interview with Dr. Bret Weinstein. I will look for more of Weinstein's public commentary; he has an interesting, articulate mind.
1 posted on 07/10/2021 2:40:52 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Ping


2 posted on 07/10/2021 2:44:31 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: ransomnote

Bret Weinstein is one of the smartest biologists out there and his Darkhorse podcast is pure gold.


3 posted on 07/10/2021 2:45:55 PM PDT by tatown
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” and his Darkhorse podcast is pure gold.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY

Also...

https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-get-vaccinated/

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4 posted on 07/10/2021 2:49:43 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: ransomnote

h/t actually belongs to ExTexasRedhead, as I got it from her. 🙂


5 posted on 07/10/2021 2:53:44 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: ransomnote; All

Thanks X 5


6 posted on 07/10/2021 2:59:20 PM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: ransomnote

https://welovetrump.com/2021/07/10/sky-news-shock-claim-delta-variant-kills-more-vaccinated-than-unvaccinated/


7 posted on 07/10/2021 3:14:54 PM PDT by roving
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To: ransomnote

Y’all realize we have the Trump admin to thank for the rapid rollout and distribution of this very effective and safe vaccine. Right?


8 posted on 07/10/2021 3:15:29 PM PDT by Kozak (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TV)
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To: tatown
Bret Weinstein is one of the smartest biologists out there and his Darkhorse podcast is pure gold.

Couldn't agree more!

9 posted on 07/10/2021 3:20:43 PM PDT by faux_hog
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To: Kozak

Y’all realize we have the Trump admin to thank for the rapid rollout and distribution of this very effective and safe vaccine. Right?
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You realize he didn’t make them toxic bioweapons, the deep state did that.

By instituting Operation Warp Speed the president saw to it that the vaccine companies would have an Emergency Use Authorization, and therefore the vaccines couldn’t be mandated. This was done to buy time to reverse the stolen election. It’s a race, the patriots are evaluating the 2020 election and the Deep State is begging people to cave in and get the ‘shot’ and working to warp public opinion with offers of donuts, scholarships, prizes to accept mandatory shots as if they are inevitable (so just ‘give in’). We can stop them before their plans get any further. We have to say NO!


10 posted on 07/10/2021 3:31:26 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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“ We are deploying a novel technology that contains the code for a very narrow antigen signal, and we are deploying it into an active pandemic. And because the vaccines are not perfectly effective at preventing breakthrough cases, they are effectively exerting a very strong kind of selection on the virus.And there’s every reason to worry that this selection will drive the evolution of escape mutants. That is to say selection in favor of mutations...”

+1

These mutations will be perfectly adapted to attack the vaccinated.

Estate plan updated?


11 posted on 07/10/2021 4:05:07 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (“Fraud vitiates everything.” )
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To: Kozak

“ and safe vaccinE”

Sure, Bagdad Bob.

Whatever you say!


12 posted on 07/10/2021 4:07:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (“Fraud vitiates everything.” )
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You realize if they do turn out to be as dangerous as some claim come 2024 the Dims and MSM (but I repeat myself) are going to nail every problem with them to DJT and all the positive hoopla of 2020 will be memory holed? Every boast about them he made will come back and bit him.


13 posted on 07/10/2021 6:03:47 PM PDT by chickenlips (Neuter your politicians)
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And because the vaccines are not perfectly effective at preventing breakthrough cases, they are effectively exerting a very strong kind of selection on the virus.

Saying we should never deploy a vaccine unless it’s perfectly effective is saying we should never deploy a vaccine.

14 posted on 07/10/2021 6:11:25 PM PDT by semimojo
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Has nothing to do with him. President Trump did what was necessary to reopen the country. However, President Trump made sure it was issued as for Emergency Use only. That way it can’t be made to be mandatory.


15 posted on 07/10/2021 6:17:28 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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Saying we should never deploy a vaccine unless it’s perfectly effective is saying we should never deploy a vaccine.
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I’m guessing you already know he didn’t say “we should never deploy a vaccine unless it’s perfectly effective” and are just being disruptive.

He and others, like vaccine developer Geert Vanden Bossche are pointing to a well known principle of ‘vaccine escape’ which occurs when one vaccinates at a high point in an epidemic or pandemic. There’s so much selective pressure on the virus that only the strong survives and can go one to attack the vaccinated without their immune system recognizing the pathogen at all. This is immune escape.


16 posted on 07/10/2021 6:18:45 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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You realize if they do turn out to be as dangerous as some claim come 2024 the Dims and MSM (but I repeat myself) are going to nail every problem with them to DJT and all the positive hoopla of 2020 will be memory holed? Every boast about them he made will come back and bit him
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Love your username!

Note that they did this to him without his having said or done anything to deserve it (Russia Russia Russia, Ukraine, virtually everything he said or did). How could what he says harm him more than what he never said or did?


17 posted on 07/10/2021 6:20:18 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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He and others, like vaccine developer Geert Vanden Bossche are pointing to a well known principle of ‘vaccine escape’ which occurs when one vaccinates at a high point in an epidemic or pandemic.

So if we’re not requiring perfection that means we always have some risk of vaccine escape. What level of effectiveness is the minimum acceptable?

No vaccines are perfect so you’re always accepting some risk. Which vaccines are more effective than the Covid ones and would presumably be OK at the height of a pandemic?

Or should we always avoid vaccines when there’s a high incidence of disease about?

18 posted on 07/10/2021 6:57:56 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: Kozak

There are already over 9,000 deaths in this country alone that are in some form or fashion connected to the vaccines. At what point do you abandon the notion that President Trump made a safe & effective vaccine? President Trump did not make any of the vaccines, nor did he approve any of the vaccines being used. So, please dispense with the stupid contention that this vaccine is in anyway associated with President Trump. Operation Warp Speed only provided a vehicle to develop an emergency use only weapon to use against the virus. Had the Deep State had not lied about HCQ, we could have stopped this virus in its tracks, and safely.


19 posted on 07/10/2021 8:53:10 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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So are you are saying we should ignore the emerging side effects in in order to be loyal to Trump?


20 posted on 07/10/2021 11:19:48 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (If I wanted to live in China, I would move there!)
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