Posted on 07/06/2021 7:32:00 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
WASHINGTON, Friday, July 5.
PROMPT ORGANIZATION OF THE HOUSE.
The election of officers of the House was effected much quicker than ever before; the choice being made on the first ballot. The result will not disappoint many, for the weight of FORNEY'S unpopularity was too much to permit the true friends of Mr. BLAIR to hazard the attempt to elect him as Speaker on the same ticket.
The proceedings of the House indicate two results, -- speedy and efficient action. The bold, decided sentiments which Speaker GROW so eloquently expressed in his acknowledgment of the honor conferred upon him, were applauded not only by the galleries, but by the House; the only honorable who manifested disapprobation being VALLANDIGHAM, of Ohio.
The election of Mr. ETHERIDGE to the Clerkship is warmly approved by the representations from the Border States. In the evening, both Mr. GROW and Mr. ETHERIDGE were serenaded at their lodgings, and both made eloquent speeches.
The Senate was in session but a short time. At the caucus of the majority, a resolution was adopted declaring it expedient to make a change of all the Executive, officers of the Senate. It was also resolved to elect Mr. BROWN, of Illinois. Sergeant-at-Arms. He was the nominee last March, but his election was frustrated by the threatened withdrawal of the Southern Senators. The caucus made no nomination. for Clerk, and it is not likely an election for that place will be held before the last of next week.
The Third Infantry, regulars, passed over into Virginia last evening.
The parade of the New-York troops, yesterday, was a failure, less than half the regiments responding to the call. It was an ill-advised movement, for to reach the lines of the dress parade, many regiments would have to march nearly eight miles.
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I have been following your post. Two of the things that I have noticed are the horrible writing by the reporters and the lack of mention of slavery.
All I see is rebellion.
Not sure what "horrible" refers to...
As for slavery, it was mentioned at great length in the original "Reasons for Secesdion" documents.
It was then added specifically to the new Confederate Constitution.
Slavery has also been of great importance to the Union in the form of "Contraband of War", which will, in due time lead Congress to act & Lincoln to his Emancipation Proclamation.
And if you were hoping to see Union troops marching off to war singing "Come on Lads, let's go free some slaves"...
Well, it had already begun, sort of -- a catchy tune with the words "John Brown's body lies amouldering in the grave.." is already being sung by some Union regiments, and in due time a certain poetical lady will find even more inspiring words for it.
Regardless, your basic observation is correct: Civil War was first and foremost all about preserving the Union, secondarily about abolishing slavery.
Isn’t it strange, then, but after four long horrible years of war, with hundreds of thousands of dead, the union did not begin to free the slaves until after the war was over.
Today I am prepping my NYT post for July 13, 1861. That issue contains the full text of a speech on abolition by Wendell Phillips on July 4. I won’t include it in my post because its length. Similar items are often to be found in the Times during this time. The fact I don’t post them is on me, not the NYT.
“Isn’t it strange, then, but after four long horrible years of war, with hundreds of thousands of dead, the union did not begin to free the slaves until after the war was over.”
Yeh, I don’t know where that meme comes from, it’s absurd on its face.
The fact is that from Day One, Unionists understood abolition was a weapon of war against Confederates and quickly began freeing such “Contraband of War” as they could.
So even before Lincoln’s 1862 Emancipation Proclamation, many tens of thousands of Confederate slaves were freed by the Union army.
Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation resulted in nearly all Confedetate slaves freed by war’s end and, at the same time such Southern states as Maryland, Missouri and West Virginia abolished slavery before the war’s end.
The net result was that by the time the 13th Amendment was ratified, in December 1865, only a few thousand slaves were left to be freed in Kentucky & Delaware.
So yes, the Civil War did free the slaves.
If only that were true.
The army had no authority to free slaves in the US. There were slaves in Washington, Maryland and throughout the US until the Constitution was amended to free slaves in December 1865. In fact the first proposed 13th Amendment that passed the congress and was sent out to the states for ratification forever guaranteed the right to own slaves in the US.
What I posted is 100% true, what you're posting is a crock of nonsense.
Captain Jack Aubrey: "The army had no authority to free slaves in the US. "
The US army had every legal authority to declare Confederate state slaves as "contraband of war" and freed them, beginning in the Civil War's first weeks.
At the same time, the Confederate army did the reverse: whenever Confederates invaded Union states they seized any African Americans they found -- whether fugitives or freed -- and sent them south for sale in Confederate slave markets.
Captain Jack Aubrey: "There were slaves in Washington, Maryland..."
In 1848 Congressman Lincoln first proposed compensated abolition in Washington, DC, and in 1862 President Lincoln's proposal for compensated abolition in Washington passed.
Lincoln also proposed compensated abolition in the four Border States, but they rejected it at the time.
Maryland freed their slaves in 1864, Missouri in early 1865.
West Virginia's abolition law (Wiley Amendment) passed in March 1863, though apparently not fully enforced before 1865.
Captain Jack Aubrey: "In fact the first proposed 13th Amendment that passed the congress and was sent out to the states for ratification forever guaranteed the right to own slaves in the US."
Yeh, I don't know what that is which gets into the brains of our Lost Causers and makes they wander the streets, waving their arms around and loudly mumbling... "Corwin... Corwin... Corwin... Corwin... Corwin...Cor...win...C O R W I N !!!...
As if Corwin were some long lost lover you'd hope to return through constant repetition of her name... what is that?
The truth about Corwin is that it simply proposed what most then understood the Constitution already meant -- abolition was a state matter, the Federal government couldn't order abolition on states.
Outside the Border States Corwin went nowhere and was soon superseded by Civil War events.
Still our Lost Causers love, love, love to repeat Corwin's name... if only, if only...
Right?
My gosh you are stupid. What does federal troops in the south attempting to free slaves have to do with freeing slaves in the US?
Maryland and Missouri freed slaves? I said that the US never freed slaves in the north.
What the heck is a Corbin?
A very ineffective and really idiotic argument by you.
My gosh you are stupid.
Captain Jack Aubrey: "What does federal troops in the south attempting to free slaves have to do with freeing slaves in the US?"
Of the nation's four million slaves, about 90% were in Confederate states.
That's where laws like "contraband of war" applied.
Captain Jack Aubrey: "What the heck is a Corbin?"
Corwin
Captain Jack Aubrey: "A very ineffective and really idiotic argument by you."
A very ineffective and really idiotic argument by you.
Maryland, Missouri and West Virginia all freed their slaves before the war's end.
In Delaware there were very few slaves to begin with and in Kentucky very few left by the time the 13th Amendment's ratification freed them in December 1865.
Of the nation's four million slaves in 1860, only a few thousand remained as slaves to be freed by ratification of the 13th Amendment in December 1865.
And your problem with this is what, exactly?
Words have meaning. I said the US never freed slaves in the US until well after the war ended, December 1865. I am correct. You are the one that has a problem with it.
Well, then you either don't know what you're saying, or you're being very deceptive, I suspect the former.
The fact is that every Northern state abolished slavery many years before 1860.
In 1787 Congress abolished slavery in the Northwest Territories and in 1820 in all US territories north of the Mason Dixon line.
In April 1862 Congress abolished slavery in Washington, DC, and in June 1862 Congress abolished all slavery in all US territories.
So, by 1863, the only lawful slavery was in five Border Union States, and of those three abolished slavery before the war's end and the remaining two -- Delaware & Kentucky -- had very few slaves left to free.
So your problem with the truth is what, exactly?
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