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A Primer on the Miami Condominium Collapse
FreeRepublic | 6/27/2021 | TheWriterTX

Posted on 06/27/2021 8:33:55 AM PDT by TheWriterTX

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To: TheWriterTX

Does anybody know if there were pilings or caisons in the foundation? Or it could have been a failure at the top.


21 posted on 06/27/2021 8:54:41 AM PDT by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commie is lying is when they open their pieholes.)
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To: BikerJoe

I feel it should have been condemned in 2018 which would have forced the board and HO to bite the bullet and pay for repairs. Would have been cheaper than what they are now up against. If they voted no than insurance companies will probably tell them to pound sand


22 posted on 06/27/2021 8:58:30 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Laslo Fripp

You’ve got to become a elebators inspector first... ;-)


23 posted on 06/27/2021 8:58:42 AM PDT by ex91B10 (Just because you can doesn't mean you should. )
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To: TheWriterTX

Good post!


24 posted on 06/27/2021 8:59:04 AM PDT by avenir
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To: TheWriterTX

Clear and to the point. Thx.


25 posted on 06/27/2021 8:59:06 AM PDT by ex91B10 (Just because you can doesn't mean you should. )
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Thanks, Writer, confirms my experience in high rise buildings.

One question could be clarified: was this originally built as a condominium property or the more likely, converted from apartments?

26 posted on 06/27/2021 8:59:15 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Laslo Fripp

I want my elebator!

Great post.


27 posted on 06/27/2021 9:00:43 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Tse-tung)
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To: Renfrew

I am not an attorney, but common sense suggests that they would. Remember, if there is a lawsuit against the Association, and there is insufficient or no insurance to cover it, the owners collectively are on the hook. This community will be bankrupted by this event. They are suing each other.

Further, most management contracts have an indemnification clause. If management gets sued, the Association pays. Managers act at the direction of the Board. They are facilitators of the board’s decisions.

I have personally authorized fire life safety repairs above my spending authority without seeking prior approval because my contract allows it. A project of this size could not be done without board and/or owner approval.


28 posted on 06/27/2021 9:00:43 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....)
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To: TheWriterTX

Very good write up. After 40 years of apparent stability it was easy to get complacent.I wonder how many of the dead would have voted to spend the money needed?


29 posted on 06/27/2021 9:01:07 AM PDT by Nateman (If the Left Is not screaming , you are doing it wrong..)
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To: HighSierra5
Probably concrete pilings hammered in. Betcha when all is said and done and they pull these out the will see saltwater eroded concrete and re-bar.
Salt water raises hell with concrete
30 posted on 06/27/2021 9:01:30 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: TheWriterTX

Thank you.


31 posted on 06/27/2021 9:01:49 AM PDT by LoveMyFreedom
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To: Navy Patriot

was this originally built as a condominium property

Always was a condo


32 posted on 06/27/2021 9:02:21 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: TheWriterTX

Check out this security video from inside a condo unit, the building appears to be crumbling like snow then it falls.

https://nypost.com/2021/06/24/security-video-shows-florida-condo-being-pelted-with-debris-before-collapse/


33 posted on 06/27/2021 9:02:42 AM PDT by chuck allen
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To: CGASMIA68

Thanks CGAS


34 posted on 06/27/2021 9:04:56 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot

Sorry, I do not know if it was a conversion.

If it was, then foundation issues should have been addressed during the rehab prior to the City issuing the final certificate of occupancy.


35 posted on 06/27/2021 9:05:19 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....)
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To: TheWriterTX

Well done! Thanks.


36 posted on 06/27/2021 9:05:27 AM PDT by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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To: TheWriterTX

If there is a big, expensive repair needed, and the association does not have enough money set aside to do it, then the Board must call for a special assessment to raise the money. The special assessment is in addition to the regular monthly assessments and must be approved by the owners (usually 67% must vote yes).

That is why the first suit filed yesterday was against the homeowners association.

Glad I am not a board member of that mess (or any other).


37 posted on 06/27/2021 9:05:50 AM PDT by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media.)
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To: HighSierra5
oops-building
38 posted on 06/27/2021 9:06:13 AM PDT by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: TheWriterTX

Not a constructive post.

Example:

“If the manager brought this to the board and the board did not move ahead, the liability is now on the board and there is nothing the building manager can do other than resign.”

So the management company kept collecting the management fees every month, even though the knew there were structural issues and had raised them to the board?

I would not want to be your insurer.


39 posted on 06/27/2021 9:07:36 AM PDT by ameribbean expat (Attention! All persons having the corona virus...please report to the nearest IRS office. Thank you.)
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To: TheWriterTX

I was a security guard for seven years at the first large condo on the Beach here, buil in the 70s. The politics and stubborness and stupidity of the owners and even the Board was amazing. it determined me that I would never buy a condo nor would I have a house subject to an HOA. They paid fines for the faulty fire alarm and suppression system for many years until they were told that they had to replace the old and finally totally nonfunctional system with a new one or the building would be condemned and everyone would have to vacate.


40 posted on 06/27/2021 9:08:50 AM PDT by arthurus ( covfefe b)
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