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Concrete flywheel storage system for residential PV
PV Magazine ^ | 21 June 2021 | GWÉNAËLLE DEBOUTTE

Posted on 06/23/2021 7:32:27 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

The flywheel has a diameter of one meter and weighs three tons, and can be placed in the garden of a private house.

The proposed solution consists of a hollow, solid cylinder that is rotated around an axis and connected to an electric motor and generator. “When you have the energy to store, the engine drives the flywheel, which accelerates,” said the company's co-founder and general director, André Gennesseaux. “In the other direction, the motor can act as a brake to discharge the electricity.”

Currently, Energiestro offers a standard storage solution with a nominal power of around 10 kW, which corresponds to a charge and discharge cycle in one hour.

According to him, in hot and humid regions, flywheels are much more robust and reliable than lithium-ion batteries.

(Excerpt) Read more at pv-magazine.com ...


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To: coloradan
If half of them are spun one way and the other half the other, the problem goes away.

Plus it solves the problem of how to move when you throw it into reverse.

41 posted on 06/23/2021 9:29:36 AM PDT by Typelouder
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To: oldtech

Don’t get all sciencey on us now and destroy our dreams.


42 posted on 06/23/2021 9:30:37 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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To: VTenigma

—”One of these things is not like the other”

Guessing the article was not originally written in English.

More guessing, the rotating solid cylinder spins in a hollow vacuum cylinder. ???

Just my interpretation.


43 posted on 06/23/2021 9:33:00 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I’m never really clear on what governs how fast electricity can be transferred from “this” to “that”.

The SOURCE of the electrical energy (be it a flywheel driving a dynamo, a steam engine driving a dynamo, a hydroelectric plant [i.e., a waterwheel driving a dynamo], a wind generator [i.e., a windmill driving a dynamo], or an atomic power plant driving a dynamo) is irrelevant.

There are TWO BOTTLENECKS, i.e., limiting factors: 1. The lines (electrical conductors) leading from the energy source to the battery - such lines will melt if too much electricity is feed through - and 2. The ability of the battery to quickly accept electrical energy (likewise: without melting).

Regards,

44 posted on 06/23/2021 9:33:39 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Red Badger

2nd Law of Thermodynamics!.....................
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Let’s toss entropy in there for fun along with friction and maintenance of said contact points for this not-so-light fly(ing)wheel.


45 posted on 06/23/2021 9:35:53 AM PDT by JCL3 (As Richard Feynman might have said, this is reality taking precedence over public relations.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Caterpillar has been selling Flywheel-based Uninterrupted Power Supplies for data centers for decades now.
46 posted on 06/23/2021 9:39:10 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: JCL3

There was a Democrat (of course) back at the beginning of the Obozo Administration that actually wanted to REPEAL the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics!..............


47 posted on 06/23/2021 9:42:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Flywheels are a useful way to store energy. The big question for me is how much loss of energy occurs putting energy into it, and how much when taking energy out?


48 posted on 06/23/2021 10:11:20 AM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Tallguy
Jouncing around on a typical roadway might not be something that you’d want to do.

It is also going to want to stay in its original orientation. The gyroscopic effects would probably be immense.

49 posted on 06/23/2021 10:15:35 AM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Interesting stuff!

If it was in simple English at your link? I could find it??

But I did find this and more...https://www.energypower.com.au/live/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/EPSA0008_UPS_Brochure_Data_Jan16_WEB.pdf


50 posted on 06/23/2021 10:29:39 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: CA_soon_gone; Leaning Right; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Kaslin

I know few specific details, but one 1.5 megawatts sized gyroscope-backup power supply for a server farm had a service life of only five minutes. Then it needs to be recharged.

The gyros had to mounted inside reinforced concrete cylinders inside vacuum bottles underground. If (when) the wheels shred, the flying parts get trapped by the steel and concrete.

Sounds like these have a one hour power life between clouds or ice or snow.


51 posted on 06/23/2021 10:33:08 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

How about huge hydraulic jacks for energy storage? Place them under the Empire State Building and use solar energy to give the tower a huge temporary erection. Libtards should love the idea. A mountain could be carefully cracked to allow vertical movement and hydraulic jacks placed underneath to lift the whole thing. Jacks could be placed deep below a city’s bedrock to store solar energy, and even keep the city dry from the ocean tide flooding in.


52 posted on 06/23/2021 10:42:55 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses

—”How about huge hydraulic jacks for energy storage?”

On a bit smaller scale and in the here and now...using hydraulic pumps and accumulators.

https://www.hydraulicspneumatics.com/technologies/accumulators/article/21884076/hydraulic-hybrid-garbage-truck-trashes-energy-waste

This one uses mini turbines plus the hydraulic regen...
They have been testing them in California for a couple of years...https://www.wrightspeed.com/the-route-powertrain


53 posted on 06/23/2021 1:07:47 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Heat dissipation.


54 posted on 06/23/2021 9:12:01 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Red Badger

Carbon fiber overwrap for some rifle barrel tubes gives strength.

Musk’s recent motor advancement is a carbon fiber wrap applied under high yarn tension to provide a pre-compression of the copper rotor component. Nearly nil dimensional change up to the 20,000 rpm operating specification.

A hollow tube for a flywheel might just be feasible. Energy stored increases as V squared. Drag increases as V cubed, so put the rotor in a vacuum. Use magnetic levitation to cut bearing losses. Place in a Kevlar bunker as a safety precaution.


55 posted on 06/23/2021 9:25:06 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: IndispensableDestiny

Homopolar Generator?


56 posted on 06/23/2021 9:29:18 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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Keith Lofstrom suggested tossing the rigid body structure of a flywheel. He proposed two D-magnets separated by a useful distance, with actively controlled attractive levitation, be applied to warp the path of a steel ribbon 180 degrees at each end of a racetrack path. The materials are thus not stressed so as to approach mechanical failure.

The velocity proposed for application within a vacuum was 11 kilometers per second. Magnetic levitation suspended the weight of the moving mass with low loss of energy. Linear motors magnetically coupled to the ribbon provided for two way transformation between electrical and kinetic energy.

He proposed initial efforts toward storing sufficient energy to load level around peak demand. A projection suggested servicing a peak market could pay for a properly scaled system in three months.


57 posted on 06/23/2021 9:58:10 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: DUMBGRUNT

No clue how this works so here is my guess, please advise either way.

The flywheel is spun up to high RPM by an external power source. Once the power source is shut off the fly wheel continues to spin and produce energy for a period of time before it stops?

The heavier the flywheel the longer the spin and higher the energy output?


58 posted on 06/23/2021 10:20:17 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

—”Once the power source is shut off the fly wheel continues to spin and produce energy for a period of time before it stops?”

You got it.

The drive motor would become a generator when driven by the flywheel, the controls would load the flywheel/generator to match demand.

The flywheel spins inside a vacuum chamber to limit air drag and is on some very nice bearings.


59 posted on 06/24/2021 5:52:43 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Coupled with nano particle frictionless bearings, the concrete flywheel becomes a perpetual generator


60 posted on 06/24/2021 5:58:48 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Like BLM, Joe Biden is a Domestic Enemy )
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