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Concrete flywheel storage system for residential PV
PV Magazine ^ | 21 June 2021 | GWÉNAËLLE DEBOUTTE

Posted on 06/23/2021 7:32:27 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

The flywheel has a diameter of one meter and weighs three tons, and can be placed in the garden of a private house.

The proposed solution consists of a hollow, solid cylinder that is rotated around an axis and connected to an electric motor and generator. “When you have the energy to store, the engine drives the flywheel, which accelerates,” said the company's co-founder and general director, André Gennesseaux. “In the other direction, the motor can act as a brake to discharge the electricity.”

Currently, Energiestro offers a standard storage solution with a nominal power of around 10 kW, which corresponds to a charge and discharge cycle in one hour.

According to him, in hot and humid regions, flywheels are much more robust and reliable than lithium-ion batteries.

(Excerpt) Read more at pv-magazine.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Travel
KEYWORDS: flywheel
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To: Larry Lucido

That’s 2 dimensional..................


21 posted on 06/23/2021 8:39:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Question: If someone had such a flywheel, could it quickly transfer a full charge to an electric car?


The added mass of the flywheel would, of course, make the entire vehicle that much heavier. It’s been tried on city busses, but that’s a much larger vehicle. The flywheel has to be pretty friction-less. Jouncing around on a typical roadway might not be something that you’d want to do.


22 posted on 06/23/2021 8:41:14 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: ConservativeMind

If half of them are spun one way and the other half the other, the problem goes away.


23 posted on 06/23/2021 8:41:43 AM PDT by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: Red Badger

It’s solid except where it isn’t. Hope that helps!


24 posted on 06/23/2021 8:42:38 AM PDT by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: ClearCase_guy

“I’m never really clear on what governs how fast electricity can be transferred from “this” to “that”.”

Electricity always MOVES at the speed of light, more or less. But batteries have a characteristic “charge acceptance rate”. The more charge pumped into a battery, the more it heats up. Different batt types have diff charge acceptance rates. At some point, the heat produced will cause a failure; either by evaporating the electrolyte in a conventional lead-acid battery, or, by warping the plates such that they touch each other and create an internal short circuit. Whatever happens to Li-ion batts being XFC’ed (extreme fast charged) is an area I can’t comment on. But every type will have SOME limitations.

There are plenty of articles regarding “charge acceptance rate” should you wish to search.


25 posted on 06/23/2021 8:45:19 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: Red Badger

Can’t get something for nothing.
“ break even.
“ get out of the game.


26 posted on 06/23/2021 8:45:24 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: coloradan

Send me an Autocad file with 3D rotation..................


27 posted on 06/23/2021 8:45:28 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: CA_soon_gone

That’s exactly why they have huge containment systems are often put underground.

In the mid 1990s, my R&D team worked on a flywheel energy storage project to power electric lights at major intersections. It would keep the lights on during power failures. The flywheel was buried near the highway intersection. We built some prototypes, but I left the company and don’t know what happened to the tech.


28 posted on 06/23/2021 8:49:24 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom ("Pour les vaincre il faut de l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace")
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To: sasquatch

Yup, there is no free ride and no free energy. It’s always going to take more input to get and keep the flywheel spinning than the energy you get back out of it.


29 posted on 06/23/2021 9:01:46 AM PDT by Pollard
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To: ClearCase_guy

From the Gyrobus link...
Charging a flywheel took between 30 seconds and 3 minutes; in an effort to reduce the charge time, the supply voltage was increased from 380 volts to 500 voltsGiven the relatively restricted range between charges, it is likely that several charging stops would have been required on longer routes, or in dense urban traffic. It is not clear whether vehicles that require such frequent delays would have been practical and/or suitable for modern-day service applications.


30 posted on 06/23/2021 9:03:29 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: Red Badger

—”a hollow, solid cylinder?..”

Guessing, solid would be less work to manufacture and balance?


31 posted on 06/23/2021 9:06:51 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The Princeton Plasma Physics Lab used flywheel storage to power the massive draw needed by the fusion test reactors. The flywheels were in a vast hall, each in it’s own vacuum housing. I asked how far one would go if it broke free. The answer I got was “Philadelphia.”


32 posted on 06/23/2021 9:09:37 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Draw me up a Autocad file......................


33 posted on 06/23/2021 9:10:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Leaning Right
--" is the flywheel is only good for one hour of discharge under normal conditions?"

If you have a 10 kWh flywheel and were only watching the TV at night (1 kWh per hour) you could go 10 hours depends on the rate of power consumption.

The system capacity should be increased, initially, to 20 kWh, and then 50 kWh, to eventually reach 24 hours of storage. “The size limit will be given by logistics as we have to find cranes capable of burying the flywheels in the ground, which is why we are limiting ourselves to 50 kWh in our current business plan,

34 posted on 06/23/2021 9:14:15 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: CA_soon_gone

—” Makes for quite a show when they fail”

Notice the underground containment shown at the link.


35 posted on 06/23/2021 9:15:47 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We’ve got the power...I would have thought that quick transfer of the energy would cause massive heating and breakdown of the battery.
Whatever happened to zinc air batteries?


36 posted on 06/23/2021 9:18:55 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: Red Badger

From the article it appears that the fly wheel versus batteries issue is due to intended use as leveling out the variable reliability of solar power or wind power.


37 posted on 06/23/2021 9:21:28 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: sasquatch
You can't break even

You can't even quit the game

https://youtu.be/hFdsRe8tPO0?t=101

38 posted on 06/23/2021 9:23:25 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: IndispensableDestiny

—”Princeton Plasma Physics Lab used flywheel storage to power the massive draw needed”

Looking around, I found this...

Up and away: The two 700-ton flywheels that power the NSTX-U could put a naval ship into orbit.

https://www.pppl.gov/node/3485


39 posted on 06/23/2021 9:26:51 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

A hollow solid cylinder. One of these things is not like the other


40 posted on 06/23/2021 9:26:52 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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