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My family is divided over COVID-19 vaccinations. Here's how we cope
LA Times via Yahoo ^ | May 30, 2021 | Sandy Banks

Posted on 06/06/2021 3:35:10 PM PDT by DoodleBob

...I have been celebrating since February, when I got my first shot of the Moderna vaccine at a San Fernando Valley park. My sister Anita in Cleveland has spent the months since then worrying about me... Ever since COVID-19 vaccines became a reality, she’s been poring over articles and social media posts about hypothetical harms that most scientists debunk. That left her determined to shun the vaccine — and afraid for me to get my next shot.

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...my fear of needing a ventilator to breathe was stronger than whatever apprehension I felt about the vaccines.

For my sister, that ratio was reversed. She worried that the new COVID vaccines might turn out, in the long run, to be as dangerous as the disease.

Our email exchange launched a back-and-forth that lasted for months. It was fractious and frustrating at times, because we are tethered to separate echo chambers that amplify our individual views.

...

“This is a new disease and these are new vaccines, with emergency use authorizations,” she said. “We have a lot of information on how safe and effective it is. But what hasn’t been studied is what it can do five or 10 years from now.

“So it’s totally reasonable for some people to say, ‘This is brand new and it’s hard for me to really feel comfortable with it.’”

...

So we’ve finally reached a truce: she won’t send me scary videos demonizing the vaccines, and I won’t try to debunk what I consider crazy stuff.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: families; vaccines
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To: familyop
An engineer and anti-vaxxer arrive at a bridge. The anti-vaxxer asks, “Is it safe to cross the bridge?”

Engineer: It is 99,97% safe to cross that bridge.

Nice propaganda.
The real version is that a paid sociopath and a normal citizen arrive a bridge. The normal person asks "is it safe to cross the bridge?"

The paid sociopath says "you need to take this experimental treatment if you want to do anything, including cross the bridge. If you don't the world will end and everyone will die."

The normal person says, "I'm not doing it. There's something very wrong with you and you need get professional help."

121 posted on 06/07/2021 4:38:39 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: a fool in paradise
The CDC said it was okay for people who actively were testing positive for Covid-19 to go wait in line and vote at the polls on election day.

This never has been about stopping the transmission of the virus.

100% correct and it's worse than voting day. Government officials said it was okay to go out and join crowds demonstrating rioting.

122 posted on 06/07/2021 4:55:38 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Fury

And I suppose you think that’s funny. Not really. True, but not funny. You might want to read Debating for idiots. Most people debate with facts rather than dumb comments.


123 posted on 06/07/2021 5:00:58 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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To: eyeamok
the Mortality rate for the Fauci Flu is .15%, that means 99.85% of the people that get will be just fine and have Natural Immunity.

You're off an order of magnitude. Per Worldometers.info, there have been 34,210,782 cases of COVID-19 in the US and 612,366 deaths. A death rate of 1.79%.

124 posted on 06/07/2021 5:05:18 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: ModernDayCato

Thanks for the advice!

I will watch for your posts - I want to learn all I can from you so I can be a better debater!


125 posted on 06/07/2021 5:53:34 AM PDT by Fury
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To: The Duke
"Beyond that, many anti-vaxers are concerned that the fatality rate will ultimately prove to be far larger - maybe even 100%."

Yes. And if we're all going to die, why are they still talking to us? If those conspiracy theorists in services and import distribution believed their own silly canards, they would be trying to learn to build and maintain wagons and finding horses to pull them. All of the technically inclined people are vaccinated.

126 posted on 06/07/2021 5:56:35 AM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop
Responses in-line and bold

"Yes. And if we're all going to die, why are they still talking to us?"

Perhaps to say goodbye?

"If those conspiracy theorists in services and import distribution believed their own silly canards, they would be trying to learn to build and maintain wagons and finding horses to pull them."

The "conspiracy theory" dismissal is old and has been over-used. It is also a fallacy. To not believe in conspiracy is to not believe in organized crime.

"All of the technically inclined people are vaccinated."

I'm a former engineer at NASA, and former owner of a multi-national tech company, and I've not been vaccinated. I was socializing with the owner of multi-national aerospace company just a few days ago, and he and his wife (PhD) were adamant about not getting vaccinated.

I'm also not sure what being "technically-inclined" has to do with anything. Maybe you should try that again and replace that phrase with "nerds", to see if it works better?

127 posted on 06/07/2021 6:15:14 AM PDT by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: tnlibertarian

Just to clarify, that 34 million number is those that tested positively, not those who have had the disease. The 612 thousand are those who died with, not necessarily from COVID-19.

My friends in medical care have shared with me how everyone who entered the hospital, for whatever reason, were tested for COVID-19 and if they died, whether or not they died from COVID-19, they were a COVID-19 death. The government was giving the hospital as much as $35K per patient if the patient did not have private health insurance and died of/with COVID-19.

All that to say the stats are screwy.


128 posted on 06/07/2021 6:26:13 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: DoodleBob

Thanks for the ping. Below is my comment you cited. I posted this in the spring after the Covid B$ was coming in 24/7.

“Remember, this B$ has never been about improving your health nor our families’ health.

It is/has been about taking away our rights and controlling us, with us paying for this B$ with our tax dollars to control us. Finally, to defeat President Trump this November.”

*Kapos, called Funktionshäftling by the SS, were prisoners who collaborated with the Nazis to serve in leadership or administrative roles over others interned in the same Nazi concentration camp.”


129 posted on 06/07/2021 8:12:44 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (“Respond only to polite and intelligent posters, who don’t insult you or us! Forget the others!”)
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To: Fury

How about just being less of an idiot? You’re nowhere near as smart as you think you are, and your forced sarcasm is not funny at all. Grow up. N the meantime, don’t talk to me. I won’t respond again.


130 posted on 06/07/2021 9:30:04 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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"I love crap like this. If I’m right and these vaccines are harmful, idiots like this one will be dead or unhealthy in the long run.

If I’m wrong there’s no harm, no foul."

Name calling, lack of politeness, bad attitude. Not good traits. Good luck with whatever.

131 posted on 06/07/2021 10:08:20 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Fury

You are absolutely hilarious. You can’t make an argument to save your life, so you attack me. That opens the door for me to attack you as far as I’m concerned.

Listen, junior...do your research and come up with some valid talking points rather than relying on as hominem attacks for the entirety of your debate.

As Carl Sandberg famously said, and he’s been paraphrased millions of times...”If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.”


132 posted on 06/07/2021 11:01:34 AM PDT by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato

LOL. I look forward to your further posts!


133 posted on 06/07/2021 11:04:57 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Jane Long

This column originally appeared in the LAT.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-30/my-family-is-divided-over-covid-19-vaccinations-heres-how-we-cope

Scroll down for Banks’ bio.

Nuff said.


134 posted on 06/07/2021 11:05:56 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: mewzilla

LOL....Sandy Banks.....sounds like something that washed up, on shore.

Thanks for the chuckle.


135 posted on 06/07/2021 11:44:58 AM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: The Duke
"The 'conspiracy theory' dismissal is old and has been over-used. It is also a fallacy. To not believe in conspiracy is to not believe in organized crime."

That's out of context, and a conspiracy theorist is a special kind of believer. Interesting and paradoxical, that you alluded to logic in an argument.

"I'm also not sure what being 'technically-inclined' has to do with anything."

That's no surprise.

136 posted on 06/07/2021 1:03:49 PM PDT by familyop
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To: jstolzen

You have nothing to be ‘stolz’ about.


137 posted on 06/07/2021 2:06:59 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: metmom

Every lemming I know has the exact same sob story.


138 posted on 06/07/2021 2:20:49 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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