Posted on 06/02/2021 10:39:00 AM PDT by Red Badger
Humans evolved in East Africa. That makes the Dutch the first Europeans there not first humans unless you think other than Europeans aren’t human.
Indigenous in the context of anthropology (which is listed in your dictionary definitions) means first humans to occupy the land.
You’re doing what liberals always do. Redefine the language to suit yourself.
BTW - by your definition Europeans are Asians since the vast majority of the European gene pool migrated out of Asia.
When the Dutch colonized South Africa, they ere the first humans to go to Capetown. Aren't the Dutch then the indigenous or native people to that area in much the same way that those who entered North and South America over the Siberian land bridge, indigenous to those areas?
Indigenous in the context of anthropology (which is listed in your dictionary definitions) means first humans to occupy the land.
There are many areas of North and South America where the first humans to occupy the land were from Europe, not Asia.
You’re doing what liberals always do. Redefine the language to suit yourself.
No. You have bought into the construct that Europeans are occupying native lands. Sort of a territorial imperative. Just like we are a nation of immigrants. Who got there first imbues the "native/indigenous" people with certain rights and the moral high ground. We owe them something regardless of how much time elapses. There were warring tribes long before the Europeans got here. They seized one anothers territory.
BTW - by your definition Europeans are Asians since the vast majority of the European gene pool migrated out of Asia.
My definition? I don't recognize "native/indigenous" people. but rather, an earlier wave of migrants.
There's no such thing as a 'pure' European—or anyone else.
South Africa is not East Africa. Nevertheless the Dutch weren’t the first in Africa. Because the inhabitants were nomadic doesn’t negate their status as first inhabitants.
The word “indigenous” has one meaning in this context and that meaning doesn’t add a value beyond that.
However you seem to agree with liberals that there is a value attached to that meaning. That is that nobody other than the indigenous has property rights.
Sorry I don’t buy that. Land is the property of those who can hold it. If the Europeans don’t reproduce either themselves or their culture, I see no special right to the land they’ve occupied most of the Holocene. The ancestors of modern Europeans took it from the Mesolithic inhabitants before them. It looks like new Asiatics or Africans will take the land from modern Europeans if things don’t change.The next wave of humans who occupy every land has every right to it. It’s the right of conquest.
So one first step on a continent makes you a native/indigenous person. The first European settlement in southern Africa was established in 1652 by the Dutch East India Company at Table Bay, 30 miles (48 km) north of the cape. The first Europeans to reach the Cape were the Portuguese. Bartholomeu Dias arrived in 1488 after journeying south along the west coast of Africa. The Dutch imported slaves from elsewhere to support the settlement.
However you seem to agree with liberals that there is a value attached to that meaning. That is that nobody other than the indigenous has property rights.
I don't attach a value to it. You do. I consider them migrants with no special rights and privileges just because they got to a certain place first.
Sorry I don’t buy that. Land is the property of those who can hold it. If the Europeans don’t reproduce either themselves or their culture, I see no special right to the land they’ve occupied most of the Holocene. The ancestors of modern Europeans took it from the Mesolithic inhabitants before them. It looks like new Asiatics or Africans will take the land from modern Europeans if things don’t change.The next wave of humans who occupy every land has every right to it. It’s the right of conquest.
Agree completely. America is facing the same problem as it is being colonized by the Third World thanks to our immigration policies. IMO Europe will fight harder to retain its culture and history than we will. America will be lost thru the ballot box.
The Path to National Suicide:An Essay on Immigration and Multiculturalism by Lawrence Auster
No, they found them in the Clinton White House under his desk.
I do value the indigenous in and of themselves. Native Americans are an ancient group of indigenous peoples. Sometimes the indigenous aren't that ancient. The Maori are indigenous to New Zealand but only got there 700 years ago.
If you’re talking down to Mexico, sure, I’d buy the Siberian thing. But I think most of the Siberians lived on or near the Bering Strait, with about a group of 70 or so, adventurer or outcast, persons making it to the American continent and begatting indians before the land was submerged
But if you’re talking South America, I’m down with the Aussies, “long ears”, tall white men with beards, who sailed west and settled the Pacific islands, then hopped across to Peru to the east, expanding the Y-DNA group (Asian/European) up the east coast of SA, possibly further, throughout the interior prior to the Amazonian culture, employing the same block-building techniques found in ancient Egypt. Eventually exterminated by war with the ‘short ears’, the blood-thirsty Marqueses of the pacific, and/or, north american indians with ‘viking-like’ canoes strapped two by two’ according to polynesian legends relayed to the Kon-Tiki expedition leader, Heyerdahl.
” a new line of evidence indicates that the first American clades split in East Asia, not in Beringia, which makes the gene flow of the Y ancestry from the ancestral East Asian groups even more likely “
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/14/e2025739118.full
after listening to a description of the boats from a polynesian storyteller, an european explorer might consider a ‘viking’ boat was being described and the best way to also describe the craft to his readers. Here’s a ‘viking’ boat on Lake Titicaca, Peru, the ‘birthplace’ of Inca culture:
https://i0.wp.com/www.alanarnette.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Reed-boat-on-Lake-Titicaca.jpg?fit=2028%2C1521&ssl=1
See if you can get dog rescheduled to a cooler later date, or ask for a call on an earlier cancellation appt. Thirty years ago they may have had semi-tame prowling wolves.
I intend to tomorrow.
We are trying to scrounge up $250 for a full transmission flush because several people have said it may fix the issue, hopefully.
The idiots at Dodge made the tranny filler tube prone to water getting in and contaminating the tranny fluid.
Plus, there’s a stupid “drain hole” under the wipers that lets water pour right down into that area of the engine compartment, as well.
The first time this issue popped up was over a year ago, right after I ran it through a really good carwash.
The shudder started immediately and continued to escalate until the tranny gave up.
No one local had a clue what it was until it was too late.
Last October, we put a low mileage tranny from a Dodge Charger in it but as usual, this spring has been one drenching downpour after another.
For a month, no one listened to me, that the car was “idling weird” at stops.
Turns out that was the first subtle symptom.
I tried to go to town last Friday night in a real frog drowner and the shudder started an 1/8 mile from my lane.
I turned around and went home.
Unlike the last time, the bump shift gears are still working like they should so it *might* just be fluid contamination messing up the torque converter.
Won’t know until I can afford a thorough flush.
Praying to God that fixes it because otherwise, it’s $1100 for a new torque converter installed.
That ain’t gonna happen, since every dime I had has been spent fighting to get the dog properly diagnosed.
The covid crap has screwed up my ability to get good, timely vet care and add to that, *8* vets have given up in this area, in the last two months, so the remaining vets are swamped and not giving the usual thorough care they used to.
The same could be said for the North Atlantic.
Good luck on getting a changed appointment or finding a way to fix your Dodge. I too have had a few rants about my old 96 Dodge Caravan, but am now much happier with a new Ford Transit Connect. My only problem now is that the local dump insists this is a cargo van even though it can also be a six passenger automobile so they give me problems trying to dump the stuff from the house I am renovating. Oh, well. One good rant deserves another. ;-)
In “science” there are accepted concensi (sic) that should never been disturbed or challenged. the YD event is one of those challenges. Another is that the Americas could never had been visited prior to Clovis. We do know that Austral-asian DNA is found in segments of the Native American population, as well as Polynesian. Now the question is how did they get there? They could have island and shoreline hopped up north and around to the Americas. They moight have travelled straigh across with boat and sail...frankly, we don’t really know. Neither did Hancock. But the conversation needs to take place and thrashed out.
When the Climate people started talking about “settled science”, every decent scientist in the world should have jumped up and said, “Hang on. We never really know much of anything in science. We don’t “prove” things in science — that’s a mathematical concept not a scientific concept. Science is a quest, we are constantly learning new things. Science is never “settled” and it’s a bad idea to talk about it that way.”
But, of course, scientists kept their mouths shut.
But the conversation needs to take place and thrashed out.
My DNA families agree with you.
It is amazing to us how the leading Genealogy on line companies can show/document 1% African DNA down to our grand kids and grand nephews/nieces.
Yet, they then list zero DNA re Native American/ancestors, mainly the civilized tribes. Ancestors documented by them as grandparents with standard historical genealogy proof/data.
In spite of them using standard genealogy historical documents to list these people as up to 4th to 9th grandparents. None of them are listed as DNA grandparents.
Nor, do we the living descendants, show any so called Native American DNA in spite being shown as descendants of so called Native Americans.
According to the major on line Ancestor company, I have over 100 documented Cherokees and other civilized tribe ancestors/grandparents at various levels via genealogy standards.
Yet, there is zip/nadda/no DNA evidence/data re me, my siblings and other relatives.
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