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To: Varda
South Africa is not East Africa. Nevertheless the Dutch weren’t the first in Africa. Because the inhabitants were nomadic doesn’t negate their status as first inhabitants.

So one first step on a continent makes you a native/indigenous person. The first European settlement in southern Africa was established in 1652 by the Dutch East India Company at Table Bay, 30 miles (48 km) north of the cape. The first Europeans to reach the Cape were the Portuguese. Bartholomeu Dias arrived in 1488 after journeying south along the west coast of Africa. The Dutch imported slaves from elsewhere to support the settlement.

However you seem to agree with liberals that there is a value attached to that meaning. That is that nobody other than the indigenous has property rights.

I don't attach a value to it. You do. I consider them migrants with no special rights and privileges just because they got to a certain place first.

Sorry I don’t buy that. Land is the property of those who can hold it. If the Europeans don’t reproduce either themselves or their culture, I see no special right to the land they’ve occupied most of the Holocene. The ancestors of modern Europeans took it from the Mesolithic inhabitants before them. It looks like new Asiatics or Africans will take the land from modern Europeans if things don’t change.The next wave of humans who occupy every land has every right to it. It’s the right of conquest.

Agree completely. America is facing the same problem as it is being colonized by the Third World thanks to our immigration policies. IMO Europe will fight harder to retain its culture and history than we will. America will be lost thru the ballot box.

The Path to National Suicide:An Essay on Immigration and Multiculturalism by Lawrence Auster

45 posted on 06/02/2021 6:08:05 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
No, I attach no property rights to the word “indigenous”.
Doing that is a kind of logical fallacy which has no place in a discussion of human populations of the Pleistocene.
It seems when you see the word “indigenous” you think of something which has nothing to do with the word. Liberals have attached property rights to the word and you bought that.
Indigenous is like other words which have had a different category attached to them due to politics ie. homosexuals are not “minorities”, single mothers and children are not families, biological sex is not an identity etc.

I do value the indigenous in and of themselves. Native Americans are an ancient group of indigenous peoples. Sometimes the indigenous aren't that ancient. The Maori are indigenous to New Zealand but only got there 700 years ago.

47 posted on 06/02/2021 6:39:02 PM PDT by Varda
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