Posted on 05/16/2021 7:22:09 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
Think I got posts mixed up.
Please don’t give me Rolling Thunder crap, that was pissing in the wind.
Everything was concentrated near the border around China.
I see.
Just to make a point, I went through your posting history and came upon a random post of yours from a thread with this title:
Gretchen Whitmer orders Canadian company to shut down oil pipeline despite widespread fuel shortages
You don't live in Michigan, you don't work for a Canadian company, and you're not in the pipeline business. And yet that didn't stop you from posting on that thread, did it?
Get off your pedestal and grow up, dude.
Thanks. You made my point better than I could have.
Agree if the powers don't want to win as in WWII.
"The Second Amendment was forged because of several purposes. People who pimp a draft are just as bad as the system an all volunteered force in the 18th century separated themselves from."
Understand you point, but you mis-state the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. You can easily Google Second Amendment quotes by the Founding Fathers. They are numerous and very clear and say nothing about a draft, while they do talk about State volunteer militias.
You, Sir, are a miserable excuse for a conservative! I spent 17 months in combat in Vietnam and I know how we fought and what we had to fight with. You have absolutely no idea at all about what Vietnam was about and how that war had to conducted. - and frankly, you aren’t worth time to discuss it.
You are a typical know-it-all-but-never-been-anywhere blowhard as are so many others claiming to be patriots - but start quivering anytime anyone mentions calling you to serve.
The good news is that I agree that you shouldn’t be drafted - people tend to know themselves best - and you’d have been one of those talentless, luckless sorts who got killed - and others killed around you -in the first few days.
“I asked above, should I once again give my experience at a 60’s commune? Do you want to hear it? It’s an eye opener.”
I would be interested in reading it, if you want to share.
That's how you compare a simple opinion on gas pipelines and the men who face down bullets, which you've never done? You really are a punk to make such a comparison just for a "gotcha ya". Everybody has knowledge of the pipeline issues, only the few who have been in battle or threat to their lives know such.
Typical of a punk. That's the worst you can do, "dude". What are you, 15 years old?
Well, what great national disaster followed the North’s victory?
Thanks Buddy - appreciate the thoughts. The part that I haven’t forgotten or forgiven was our government letting the Communist Left get away with organizing, guiding, and coordinating the pro-enemy “anti war” movement - while we were fighting and dying over there.
Can you imagine traitors pulling that crap, carrying the enemy’s flags and chanting in support during WWII? Yet, somehow, they let them get away with it.
Hollywood characterized us. Everybody shouted at us, but did anybody shout with us, in enough numbers? No. The politicians who wanted to be known, shouted at us. The stereotype was swallowed by employers. Did the so now active churches say anything in our favor? No.
It is true that the sitting president and his gang will rape and pillage at the chinks behest.
Massive murders, decades in “re-education camps”, and tens of thousand risking their lives escaping as “boat people”.
Guess none of that mattered to you.
Uh -- yeah. :-P
The question is how the war served the interests of the American people, especially when American boys were being drafted to risk life and limb.
Now we live within a network of alliances and treaties and understandings. If we didn't, we have more than enough rivals to crush us and our unique freedoms - so when we are pushed forcefully enough, we fight for the safety of our allies and clearly demonstrate that we are willing to expend everything we have to support our friends and to survive as a free nation.
We were pushed there in Vietnam. Initially, we tried to avoid it. Then we tried to help Vietnam through advisors and instructors and generous donations of WWII-surplus weapons and ammo.
But the communists saw an opening, an opportunity - and as we gave additional support, the communists opened up their armories and flooded weapons into North Vietnam, which were then sent south with fresh NVA divisions to offset our help. The Marines sent combat forces into Danang in September 1966 with the mission of protecting the airfield - but again, the enemy ramped up their offensive moves and the Marines took them on in the field.
The escalations kept up as we sent more men and the huge logistical tail to support thousands of troops, half a world away and it was clear that we were committed: we didn't have the choice to just let go and quit - the damned Cold War and the control of the seaways around Vietnam were at risk.
Meanwhile the enemy in our country - the communist Ban the Bomb movement converted itself into the anti-Vietnam War movement and they expanded and spread out to umbrella organizations all over the country with safe houses, communications nodes, and a virtual commuter service to Hanoi and back. The Soviets and the Chinese helped them with money, printing services and guidance throughout the war. This turned out to be the most effective tactic in dissolving support for the war.
In the end, the people elected Democrats, the Congress pulled all of the funding and revoked the promises made under the Peace Accords and South Vietnam fell.
What good did it do? For eight long years, the South stayed free. For eight long years the Soviets and the Chinese watched as we held out and kept fighting. When communism finally did fall and the Cold War ended, it the image of those few tough Americans fighting it out against everything the communist world could throw that stuck in the communist leader's minds as they finally realized that we would fight for our allies and we were tougher than they imagined.
That's how a nation survives in this world.
Bitchen. Want to go play tetherball? You get first swing since I insulted you.
I remember it pretty much the way you do. Bush II certainly had his faults, but the thing that really ticks me off is the whole implication that “Bush lied” to get us into Iraq. I’m certainly willing to listen to pros and cons of any action that’s going to put our troops in danger. A good case can be made that the invasion of Iraq was not necessary. I will not be a hypocrite like many others and play “Monday Morning Quarterback” on this one. At the time I thought Saddam had WMDs, and I still think he did. Saddam certainly violated UN resolutions regarding the Gulf War I truce (mainly the no fly zones). There was justification for the invasion.
Even if you do believe, though that the convoys were perfectly innocent, it’s still not fair to say “Bush lied” about WMDs. It’s more accurate to say Bush plus the intelligence agencies of just about every other nation on earth were mistaken about WMDs. In my memory, no WMDs/Bush lied was not an argument against the invasion until AFTER we invaded and failed to find “large stockpiles” of WMDs. (That was also a case of moving goalposts- our troops DID find WMDs; just not huge amounts of them). None of the other nations that were opposed to the invasion and did not join the “coalition of the willing” ever put forth the argument that there were no WMDs in Iraq. In fact, the opposite is true— it was pretty much accepted as given that there were WMDs.
The main reason I supported the invasion, and this was never an official justification given, just my opinion (although it would be hard to believe nobody in the Bush II admin wouldn’t have notices this) was geopolitical. There was and is one fairly major regional hegemonic power in the Middle East that is ruled as a Muslim theocracy and has consistently opposed our interests. This power has harbored and trained terrorist groups. It has supported Hamas in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. That power, in case you haven’t figured it out is Iran. Take a look at a globe or map. We already had large troop deployments in Afghanistan. Deploying troops to Iraq essentially surrounded Iran with US forces. The mullahs couldn’t have felt too secure while we had forced surrounding them, and it’s no surprise that Iran was on its best behavior during the time when our forces were surrounding them.
But were we "pushed" in Vietnam? I don't think so. You do. I guess its a judgment call.
“You, on the other hand, will never know what you’re actually capable of enduring for your country, because you didn’t.”
My friend you are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.
I served from 1962 to 1965, so I have as much right to speak on this as you do.
My view is much different than yours. If Vietnam was so important why didn’t we fight that war to win? We pulled out of Vietnam and abandoned those people. The Soviets never moved in as was the crafted message that our politicians used to send people there to die.
I know going there was hell for you and others, but that does not make it right and certainly, the half-ass effort to wind was a disaster.
I can forgive people who were opposed to the Vietnam war. I even agree with the opposition on the Vietnam war. It was not a constitutionally declared war.
The problem with a draft dodger is that when they refuse to go some other poor man ends up getting drafted and perhaps even killed to take their place. I cannot forgive a draft dodger for this reason alone.
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