Posted on 05/16/2021 4:53:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded
I post this in the forlorn hope that I can make an informed decision regarding the Covid vaccine choices available to me. Like many on this forum, I planned to hold out for the J&J vaccine until the world came clotting down. After reading the following article snippet, I have severe doubts about getting ANY vaccine until I understand just what the, pardon my French, phuck is going on. So I put letter references to my questions in the thread, looking for specific answers from the collected intelligence here.
When you get the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the modified adenovirus is pulled inside your cells, where it travels to the cell nucleus, home to its DNA. The adenovirus then puts its DNA into the nucleus, the spike protein gene is read by the cell, and it’s then copied into messenger RNA, or mRNA. Your cells begin making spike proteins, which are then recognized by your immune system, causing your body to produce antibodies to the perceived threat.Holy GMO, Batman. You're gonna put that chit inside of yourself??? Just a cotton-picking moment, here. There's that mRNA again. Is this just a difference without distinction? Questions abound. See comment #1.Source: What to Know About Johnson & Johnson’s Single-Dose COVID-19 Vaccine
I am over 60 with 3 co-morbidities.
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I am in your position in life. What made my mind up long ago is simple facts. 1) All the jabs are experimental.2) I am a Christian and have consulted with many believers, the vast majority “ feel” there is something sinister, from the fake figures to the jab side effects , all has been corrupted.3) I “ made it” the last year and I have been doing what I had done pre Covid. This Covid flu is 99.9 percent survivable.4) Putting your trust in our current corrupted administration,their “ science “ and a corrupted society instead of God always leads to regret.
Same with my doctor, he has not recommended the covid vaccine to anyone in my family during our visits.
We had to place my FIL (81) in memory care, he has vascular dementia. They did not require (or even push) him or any of us to get the vax, he just had to get a negative covid test. There are no restrictions on visiting him either, we are asked to wear masks when we go in the common areas where other residents are, but we can visit him outside or to his room without them.
But this is Georgia which has been pretty laid back regarding covid and our cases are back down to where they were when covid first hit our state. Even without lockdowns and mandates (imagine that).
I’m waiting a minimum of five years before making a decision. More data needed
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And when the US government requires a Chicom-type COVID passport to do anything (except to vote) or go anywhere than what?
International flights will be first, of course, with several carriers announcing this requirement.
Venues will be second and have announced this requirement
There is something so Chicom about the whole thing…
I’m one that lives by my decisions and I’m still alive. I do not listen to idiots that try to tell me what to think and do. Some called me hard-headed but that’s better than soft headed
I've given up trying to learn micro biology better that the people that developed these vaccines. At some point, to live in a society, you have to trust that people know what they are doing (at least in the private sector) and not believe that genocidal conspiracies abound.
First of all, none of these are traditional vaccines, per se. Their effectiveness has not been given enough time to calculate.
Secondly, the J&J uses fetal cells (aborted babies) for production of the vaccine,
Third, the number of people actually dying from Covid is no more than the flu,
Forth, the vaccine seems to require multiple shots to retain effectiveness, if there is such a thing as effectiveness,
Fifth, there are many contraindications....which seem to be worse in women, but have affected men,
Sixth, the CDC has stopped taking records of adverse reactions to ANY of the vaccines.
Seventh, you sign a waiver excusing the government AND the vaccine producer from any liability should you die or develop another severe reaction.
Eighth, the pamphlet that comes in the box with the vial is totally blank, so you cannot read anything about the vaccine before taking it to make an educated choice ( I know this b/c I had to administer one of the vaccines to inmates at the prison where I work as an RN.)
Ninth, You can still get Covid. My son’s mother-in-law got a pretty severe case after being vaccinated.
Tenth, you are infectious to other people for an unknown number of days, weeks...who knows, after taking the vaccine (My son & his wife both got Covid from his in-laws & my son nearly died.
Eleventh, Hydroxychloroquine cannot be written as a prescription for Covid or the MD can lose his license, put his whole office group under suspension...and neither can they write an RX for Ivermectin.
Twellth, IMHO, it is still too dangerous. There are many articles that find that certain groups begin to show early signs of dementia, some lose their long term memory, some will become sterile and not be able to produce children, some will develop deadly blood clots in which the normal TX of Heparin or Coumadin will not work.
These are a few I can think of off the top of my head.
If you cannot take the flu shot, do NOT take these vaccinations....any of them! Hope this helps! There is NO rush to take one of these. We need to see more evidence.
“And when the US government requires a Chicom-type COVID passport to do anything (except to vote) or go anywhere than what?”
Feels like we’ll know one way or another soon, probably this week. The restrictions are dropping like flies, depending on how authorities interpreted the botched CDC “guideline” changes. But the vaxxers’ insane “I fear the un-vaxxed” is steamrolling too on twitter (bots?).
The Regime will either accept that it’s voluntary, or make it mandatory using phone-based QR codes (initially). There’s no middle ground here and no psyops.
I got the J & J. I was sick for 24 hrs, but I also had Covid. I was fine. My mother nearly died from covid. Both my parents decided to get the vaccine. The clotting is not because of the vaccine. For some reason, the body’s response to Covid is clotting, which happened to my mother and a female student of mine who was 17 (Covid, not the shot). This is why people on blood thinners are typically doing ok with covid. 6 women out of 6 million have experienced clotting. Think reasonably, that’s pretty low.
I served in the military and have had lots of vaccines, without choice. I’ve had all my boosters (MMR, polio, etc), plus numerous flu vaccines, and I’m pretty sure I’ve had yellow fever and the anthrax vaccine, and the small pox vaccine for sure. The kicker for me is the Adenovirus shot. Still to this day, I don’t get the “crud”. When everyone gets the quasi-flu, I don’t get it.
J & J’s benefit is that it protects you against other corona viruses, and it’s one shot. I’m a disabled vet and I get about 6-8 migraines a month. With the mask wearing, I’m at about 3-4 a week. I really have suffered with the masks, and I felt like I had no choice on the vaccine.
Think about other medications that mess people up, at much higher rates, but no one talks about. Birth control has been messing women’s bodies up for decades, and no one will talk about it. I took the deprovera shot while on deployment and I gained 50 pounds in a month. But there are no headlines over adverse reactions to birth control, even though some doctors whisper of the issues.
There are so many things that people do that are a risk, more risky than the vaccine. My favorite is the people driving with masks on, but don’t make complete stops at stop signs and don’t wear seat belts.
Weigh your risk, but be rational about it, and don’t buy into all the hype, on either side.
No direct answers, but a comment. Covid is NOT Ebola. There wouldn’t be 500k dead; there would be 500 million dead.
If i were a woman of child-bearing age, i would not get this immunization. I am 69,yr old white male, want to travel again, and have my faith. Got immunized with Moderna only for politics of travel. It didn’t kill me, but i doubt it protects me.
My wife, fully immunized also three months , is still a mask Karen, cloth mask, everywhere
I don’t believe they will ever require a vaccine passport in this country, although they will frequently make threats.
The reason I don’t think they will actually require vaccine passports is that the fact remains that a large percentage of the black population is refusing to get the vaccine.
Can you just imagine the backlash and screams of “racism” if people of color are kept out of XYZ due to not having a vax passport?
“Or using a live virus that was discomforting but not fatal, so that our body would also recognize the bad virus; infecting Cow Pox to stop Smallpox being the most” The J&J vaccine is that. It takes a common adenovirus that can at worst cause a minor cold and modifies it so that it looks enough like COVID that you immune system will track both down. Like all viruses, including cowpox, it does this by getting into some of your cells and modifying them. The mRNA vaccines skip directly to this step. The important thing is the only cells it is modifying are a handful of muscle cells in your arm. COVID, even with the best treatments, gets everywhere and is modifying cells throughout your body, which is why it causes such diverse symptoms.
That's not how the viral vector vaccines such a J&J and AstraZeneca work at all. The snippet the OP posted is accurate. So as I've long pointed out, the mRNA vaccines are arguably less intrusive than the J&J vaccine for those concerned about the mRNA technology.
It is for that reason and the fact that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines provide better than 90% efficacy rather than the less than 70% efficacy of the J&J vaccine that I chose Pfizer for my family.
....on the other hand, my wife and I are both well into our 70s, but have no co-morbidities; we are actually in very good health. But our family physician, actually an internal med. specialist, recommended that we DO get the vacinne; also, we do plan on doing some traveling this year and we are afraid some weenie at the airport won’t let us fly unless we can prove we have been “stuck”....we live in crazy times, for sure.....
That’s a really good point
Excellent summary.
13) Try to locate the safety results of any animal tests. Many say “no animal tests were done” or they failed, but the Pharmas say they were completed. They have some “effectiveness” results (who cares about that?) - but I can’t find ANYTHING published about safety.
I had the virus in early Feb. 2020. i did not require any special treatment. I never take shots or medicine of any kind unless really needed. No vax for me.
Think about this for a minute... outside of all of the technology and debate about what mRNA is or is not.
Briefly explained, The jab (regardless of producer) instructs your body (your cells) to manufacture a protein that your body is then going to reject!
What could possibly go wrong?
a REAL vaccine is a weakened complete organism that is seen for what it is, and is dealt with by our bodies the way God intended.
These mRNA jabs are not vaccines. They are immune system hacks. It seems to me that the way these things work is more like a VIRUS itself... because they hijack your cells to do their own bidding.
You don’t have to be a doctor to understand the potential problems with this.
The vaccine is called nonvavax. They just push backed delivery. Like many others, I’d like to see some long term effects of mRNA technology.
You’ll never get a definitive answer. But 3 doctors were on here last night discussing herd immunity and saying that we are basically there.
I’m sticking with the vitamin regimen and staying out of enclosed, poorly ventilated areas. It’s easy.
I have personal experience with the power of Vitamin D. I had something back in March 2020. It hit me like a ton of bricks, gross tremors, fever approaching 104. The doc said it was NOT Covid (over the phone) but the symptom list was still evolving. With no medical support I went with the D Hammer and it worked! I was feeling much better after 24 hours and back to normal within 48. Now, I do daily D, my blood level is right where the doc wants it, and I also make sure to take zinc as well. A caution that too much D can lead to calcium issues like stones.
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