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1 posted on 05/08/2021 4:50:54 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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"To be sure, reported deaths are always far fewer than the real numbers, as there are always unreported figures, unrecognized parallels, comorbidities, and so on."

Maybe. There are probably unreported deaths too. The long term side effects are still unknown. I hope there are none.

2 posted on 05/08/2021 4:52:52 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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The state of journalism today:

Carlson’s actual program on reactions, adverse events, various complications including deaths was based on VAERS, a data reporting service.

Reporting on data? From a reputable data reporting service?

Your anti-vaccine rhetoric will not be tolerated by CNN!!!!

3 posted on 05/08/2021 4:55:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("I see you did something -- why you so racist?")
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VAERS:

4,100+ dead in the U.S.
8,000+ dead in Europe
3,300+ dead in Israel

Something does not add up. Are Israel’s vaccines MUCH more deadlier? Or either Europe’s are deadlier than the USA’s, or the USA (& Europe) have had few vaccinations compared to Israel.


4 posted on 05/08/2021 4:58:34 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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Look at Stelter’s phrase: “anti-vaccine rhetoric”... as if it’s not possible to question the safety or efficacy of a brand-new untested vaccine?

Tucker interviewed a Dr. Peter McCullough yesterday, who talked about how there is still no official protocol for treating patients that already have covid-19. He said this is appalling and unprecedented in the history of medicine, that doctors would not be advised - at all - how to treat patients who have already been infected. Because of this, doctors send covid-19 patients home, telling them to call back when there symptoms get worse... this is not medicine, and it is not ethical.

One chilling phrase this doctor McCullough kept using was that “something is up” behind this wall of silence surrounding how to help patients. It’s all about the vaccine, no other discussion is allowed.

Anyway, it’s a long interview - more here:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dr-peter-mccullough-tells-tucker-carlson-today-the-world-has-gone-off-the-rails-with-treating-covid-19


5 posted on 05/08/2021 5:02:04 AM PDT by FreedomVsControl
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“according to VAERS: There are over 4,100 dead in the U.S. from the shots”

It’s actually: 4,100 died in the US after getting the shots.

Many people that got the shots are old or have a medical problem, and they die not from the shot but because their body conks out.


6 posted on 05/08/2021 5:05:26 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“One death is too many” is the wrong standard to judge a drug or vaccine by. No one seems willing to admit that there will be fatal reactions but at what point do the lives saved outweigh the cost in lives lost? Penicillin is fatal to some but has saved millions. We seem incapable of having a serious look at the cost versus benefit analysis like real adults. Almost no one is being calm and realistic. Emotions are running everything and everyone.


7 posted on 05/08/2021 5:06:30 AM PDT by Spok (There are many more things that frighten us than can cause us harm.)
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“Brian Stelter for CNN Business” Seriously? I think not.


9 posted on 05/08/2021 5:10:13 AM PDT by silent majority rising
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This is a 3MB file:

https://files.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/guidelines/covid19treatmentguidelines.pdf


12 posted on 05/08/2021 5:17:09 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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VAERS is part of a larger system of regulation of drugs and biologicals which are in development.

Ever wonder why every drug, in the package insert, has “nausea” or “headache” as a listed side effect?

It’s because, at every visit for an IND (Investigational New Drug) or EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) there are a list of mandatory questions that must be asked, it is mandatory for “yes” answers to be reported, and it is mandatory, after licensure, for the results of all “yes” answers to be published (as a percentage) along with the drug information.

The use of VAERS on this scale has never been attempted. Some things, like the cerebral blood clots with the anti-PF4 antibodies, even with a few cases, are obviously new and important. Other things, like heart attacks, miscarriages, even deaths have to be compared to a non-vax population of similar size and risk for those events when iccurring on a background of 202 million doses delivered (or whatever it is).


14 posted on 05/08/2021 5:18:34 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice)
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16 posted on 05/08/2021 5:19:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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We have a couple of different problems today interrupting attempts to think critically.

One of them is the hyper-partisanship cited in the article which is illustrated by Harris campaigning against “Trump shots”, which then turned into shots advocated by the Biden administration, because the same pandemic was happening and they had the same shots to combat it with.

Another is the amount of conspiracy theories being disseminated by both foreign adversaries trying to undermine the effectiveness of Western shots, as well as the anti-vax movement led in part by radical environmentalist RFK, Jr.

Neither hyper-partisanship or conspiracy theories are helpful.

Hyper-partisanship is a group-thinky disease, I swear.

Conspiracy theories otoh are an adaptation to an environment where there is a lack of transparency. There are many lacks of transparancy in our world today. Some are well-meaning, others are not. One of the well-meaning ones is quashing information about adverse reactions to the vaccines. Like it or not, we do need to plow on and try to make informed decisions regardless of the BS in the public discourse today.

I got the shots, but you had better believe that I tried to find out everything I could about what a bad reaction would look like. If Tucker was trying to inform and not persuade he was doing a good thing. If he was jumping on the bandwagon he was doing a bad thing. Good article.


24 posted on 05/08/2021 5:34:09 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (The way to deal with bad ideas is to go through via critical thought, not around)
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VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences. Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients.

Healthcare providers are required by law to report to VAERS:

Any adverse event listed in the VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination that occurs within the specified time period after vaccinations

An adverse event listed by the vaccine manufacturer as a contraindication to further doses of the vaccine

Healthcare providers are strongly encouraged to report to VAERS:

Any adverse event that occurs after the administration of a vaccine licensed in the United States, whether it is or is not clear that a vaccine caused the adverse event

Vaccine administration errors

Vaccine manufacturers are required to report to VAERS all adverse events that come to their attention.

Online reporting is strongly encouraged. Please report clinically important adverse events that occur after vaccination of adults and children, even if you are not sure whether the vaccine caused the adverse event.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) accepts all reports, including reports of vaccination errors. Guidance on reporting vaccination errors is available if you have additional questions.

Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html


25 posted on 05/08/2021 5:37:05 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/05/07/tucker-carlson-misleading-claim-deaths-after-covid-19-vaccine-covid/4989132001/

“When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.”

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html


27 posted on 05/08/2021 5:47:19 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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28 posted on 05/08/2021 5:47:39 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Ok so Tucker used raw data from the reporting system while lacking the credentials to be able to accurately read that data. That wasn’t a good thing to do. He has a BA from Trinity College so by definition his degree was not in any of the sciences.


30 posted on 05/08/2021 5:54:38 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (The way to deal with bad ideas is to go through via critical thought, not around)
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one of which, by Brian Stelter for CNN Business, was titled “Tucker Carlson’s Fox News colleagues call out his dangerous antivaccine rhetoric.”

There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind if Trump were still President, Stelter would be attacking the vaccines.

33 posted on 05/08/2021 6:03:14 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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“Petitions Filed
....
FY 2020 1,192
FY 2021 1,690”

https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf


36 posted on 05/08/2021 6:06:05 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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One can google search for the following to get a blank Florida death certificate to better understand modern death certificates:

florida death certificate blank form

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjh4e39l7rwAhVRUt8KHRG_C20QFjAAegQIAhAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flrules.org%2Fgateway%2FreadRefFile.asp%3FrefId%3D7194%26filename%3DDH512%2520(04.2016)%252064V-1.0061.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3n4xlRjHSa3cSp3SwTsrVr


43 posted on 05/08/2021 6:38:04 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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