Posted on 05/07/2021 6:04:36 PM PDT by sit-rep
that’s a great point. non-participation in the american healthcare system is NOT to acquire services and then refuse to pay; it’s to fix your own ****ing foot.
Like I said 20 times piss ant... If a system charges 8k for 2 x-rays, 500ml of saline solution, and a squirt of glue, it deserved to be screwed. I’ve also said 20 times piss ant that I would have no problem paying a reasonable price... Even go a little heavy. If you and the othenpiss antnDITGS believe that it is okay to charge this amount for the service I received, then you’re both a couple real friggin morons!! And you profess to be conservative!!?? Lmmfao....
you said most of that AFTER we pointed out that what you initially said you did was theft. then you changed your story.
now, you’re selling the crap out of the new story, and praying that everyone is too lazy to read what you said that you actually did.
and then you’re also sprinkling in a good bit of misdirection and petulant passive aggressiveness; “anyone that charges $8k for a bag of saline solution deserves to get ripped off”, which is pretty much admitting to everything we’re accusing you of . . . but you’re obviously really angry, and must not be thinking clearly.
you should probably just stop talking.
No stupid... You’re the one doing that... The vERY first response I made when asked if I’m paying the 8kbwas, “no! I’m going to do what I did the last time a hospital tryd to screw me... Etc etc etc...”
Like I said... Get it right or STFU...
be honest. how many times have you actually paid a hospital or doctor for their services?
I’m confident that the answer is zero.
this is a scam, and that makes you a scammer, and a healthcare welfare queen.
Even with garbage obamacare plans my lowest deductible available was 8000. Convenient charge right? IpWith premiums I would pay 14,000 a year. I have never had that much medical care in a single year.
“Ambulance transport here in King County (Seattle) costs like $870 a ride!”
If you can collect 33% of ambulance bills, you are doing good. We send the person 2 bills and then trash it. So a real ambulance ride would be $300.
Here's a better analogy. The government takes over all the food production and declares that only those who vote Democrat can eat. You have a choice, right? If you don't get to eat it's your own fault right? If you eat but don't vote Democrat then you're cheating, right?
The government set up all regulation requiring hospitals to treat people who can not or will not pay. That's the government cheating the hospitals. The hospitals then try to pass this cost off to some of their patients. That's the hospital cheating their patients. You seem to think that is somehow fair.
You're unwillingness to go against a system you admit you don't like is your own problem though, not the OP's.
But of course if this idiot showed up and didn’t want to pay I should be able to refuse service to him. But I can’t. If you would be willing to state no one physician or provider should be forced to take care of someone who cannot pay then I am fine as it is an equal playing field for people who don’t want to make sure they can cover their individual health care costs.
Well of course no physician should be forced to work for free if he doesn't want to. That's the very definition of slavery. But your patients are not putting you in that situation. The government is. Can you not see that what you are doing is making patients pay for services they did not receive - i.e. services provided to other non-paying patients? That is also slavery and you don't get claim the right to do it to someone else just because the government did it to you.
Well. By law I am FORCED to take care of patients. Exactly because of jackasses like the OP who demands treatment. Will not insure himself. Then bitches about paying costs that he could have reasonably mitigated. Sorry. It is ENTIRELY his fault
Uoure some kind of dumb ass you know that! Easily mitigated, demanding treatment? Wtfbelse are you going to conjur up to bolster your bullshit stance on the issue. You and that simple sob browdie have been using the DMC playbook on this thread from the start.. if one made up or exaggerated sentence doesn’t fly, just make up another one and try to sound like you know what you’re talking about. It’s clear as day with both you shmucks...
a) They aren't his costs. They are partly someone else's.
b) He is mitigating them. He's offering to pay his costs but not someone else's.
c) There is no question of fault. It is a question of how much is legitimately owed.
You're still trying to claim that you have the right to do harm to someone else because the government did harm to you.
Then lay your damn bill
You made a choice. You now have to pay the piper. Or you are asking all of us to pay your costs.
Like I said next time the water turns crimson fix yourself
1. The OP willingly engaged in a high-cost, high-risk leisure-time activity.
2. The OP was aware that he was living under a set of rules in which cash-payers are discriminated against vis-à-vis insured participants and scofflaws.
3. The OP acts indignant and shocked by the results, i.e., he feigns surprise and outrage, which he instrumentalizes to somehow justify his absconding without paying.
As I pointed out in my analogy above (with the Lemonade Stand), he knew (or should have known) what he was getting into.
Yes, it is a rigged system - it is certainly not fair. But we all know that, and should therefore attempt to pursue the least-immoral strategy.
Regards,
But we all know that, and should therefore attempt to pursue the least-immoral strategy.
The lease immoral strategy is to refuse to participate in the immoral system.
Again... he didn't steal services. He is willing to pay for what he got. You want him to pay for services he didn't get. It is you advocating theft.
again, by his own words, he never intended to pay. he knew he was going to steal the goods and services the second he saw blood. he knew he was going to steal the good and services the second he knew he would need them. also, by his own admission, he has done this before.
in fact, I asked him if how many times he had actually paid a doctor or hospital for goods and services received. I said I was confident that the number was zero. he either could not or would not answer the question.
you can hate health care billing all you want. we all do. but this guy is dirtying up your argument.
Wrong. He clearly said he would pay for it. See post 22.
you need to reread that post. he’s paying a debt collector many months later. at that point, the debt has been written off as a loss. a loss that’s covered by, among others, the taxpayers.
he is not paying a health care provider, he’s paying the guy that bought the hospital’s bad debt (for pennies on the dollar) after the hospital absorbed the loss. again, these are his words.
that’s theft. he intended to steal, and he then stole. he talks about how he intends to steal again in the future.
again, you can hate governments and medical billing all you want without having to defend the kiteboarding scammer.
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