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Check Your Understanding Of The "Efficacy" Claims For 'Vaccines': The Claim "95% Effective" Means A Fraction Of 1% Of The Vaccinated Are "Protected" For 2 Months
5/7/2021 | vanity

Posted on 05/07/2021 3:18:12 PM PDT by ransomnote

Many FALSELY believe that having a Covid-19 vaccine with a 95% efficacy rate means they have 95% chance of staying healthy, and a 5% chance of getting sick. That would only be true if the often quoted efficacy rate referred to Relative Risk Reduction (RRR).

The Pharma companies, NIH, CDC, Fauci, Biden Administration appear to be satisfied that the public is not aware of what 'vaccine' claims like ‘95% effective’ actually mean.

Absolute Risk Reduction (ARR) would have to be calculated to know the percent reduction of risk of illness following vaccination. I haven't seen any commentary in all the advertising which uses ARR statistics.

To calculate ARR, the % of persons expected to become ill following vaccination is subtracted from the % of persons who would have become ill if they hadn't had the vaccine. 

Using Pfizer's data, without a vaccine people have a .93% chance of becoming ill with Covid-19 in the next 2 months (duration of Pfizer’s study). 

According to Pfizer, if they have the vaccine, their risk of illness over the next 2 months drops from .93 of one percent, to .05 of one percent (rounded). We don't know how many would have become ill if the study continued beyond 2 months so that theoretical 'protection' has a time frame.

A nice walk through of the math involved is provided by a former math professor who doesn’t have a dog in this fight, he just wants people to understand math because…well…you can take a math professor out of the math lab but you can’t take the math out of the professor.  

Prof. Richard Zucker illustrates his point first by walking through calculations for Measles, and then through the same calculations for Covid-19.

Measures of Vaccine Effectiveness - YouTube (17 minute video)

He compares this value with prior Measles vaccinations, in which you would have to vaccinate 1.3 children to protect 1 child from the disease. He shows through his calculations, using Pfizer’s data, 113 people have to be vaccinated to protect 1 person from becoming ill with Covid-19.

(IMAGE BELOW from Professor Zucker's video)

I think the the number of persons vaccinated required to "protect" one person from Covid-19 must be continually increasing, because many have already had Covid-19 and the risk of becoming ill from it is decreasing, and presummably the vaccinated are a little less vulnerable to illness as well. I've not seen any calculations about the percentages of people harmed by the 'vaccines'.

Those pushing for ‘herd immunity,’ and reasoning as if only vaccines can provide immunity, often state that the non-vaccinated are ‘holding us back’. In reality, because the risk of getting Covid-19 to those who have not yet had it is under 1%, the public health benefit of any vaccine of any efficacy rate is also going to be under 1% to those who haven't already had Covid-19.

Those who have had Covid-19 already have antibodies and do not benefit from vaccination, according to physicians like Dr. McCullough, who has worked with a team of physicians who developed a treatment protocol that reduces deaths from Covid-19 among the vulnerable by 85%. You may read about (print out) their medication protocol or watch the first 7 minutes of the video at the link below:

COVID Vaccine Killing Huge Numbers, Warns Leading Doctor – Liberty Sentinel [32 minute video] (freerepublic.com)

Now the public is being wooed with prizes and treats if they get vaccinated. 100$ savings bonds (WV, for ages 19 to 35), beer, nightclubs, museum passes, and other perks await the vaccine submission.

What's Behind Vaccine Hysteria? - American Thinker

The Yankees and Mets announced the stadiums will once again be open, but the vaccinated will ‘get’ to sit next to each other and the unvaccinated will have to socially distance. Yet we’re talking about a less than 1% chance of illness in the vaccinated section compared with a less than 1% chance of illness in the vaccinated section seated outdoors, all wearing masks.

Continued employment is a perk looming on the horizon. Commerce and travel, all of it tied to less than 1% difference with or without the vax.

Bills GM to cut players who refuse The Vaccine… [Buffalo]

The young and the healthy are likely the dominant demographic in a baseball stadium, so the risk of illness at a football stadium is actually smaller than Pfizer’s 2 month trial data .93% risk. So the benefits of vaccination would be smaller still.

The unvaccinated could get Covid-19  in the next 2 months, and if so, they are likely to recover and if particularly vulnerable (elderly, immune suppressed etc.), can use available treatments which are 85% effective. If those physicians and researchers who claim immunity is lasting are correct, why should those who've already had Covid-19 undergo the compounded risks of vaccination as they receive repeated ‘booster’ vaccination?

Why is there no real risk-benefit analysis in the push to vaccinate everyone with experimental products? The CDC’s documentation indicates boosters will not have to undergo the testing that the initial vaccines underwent. 

The vaccines have risks, some of which are unknown and may result in ADE or other autoimmune illnesses. The vaccine trials were too short to tell us if they are safe, for whom, or for how long.

There’s evidence that the ‘vaccines’ promote the production of spike proteins that are themselves toxic to human health, and those vaccinated will not have a way to halt the production of those spike proteins in their bodies. I’ve heard (been shouted at) that the spike proteins won’t endure past a few days, weeks or months, but that assertion is insufficiently tested to promote as fact.

Some trolls gleefully post that the vaccines will likely be reclassified as ‘FDA approved’ within months to reduce the public’s ‘vaccine hesitancy’; not that the ‘vaccines’ will undergo the needed 10+  years of extensive testing for standard ‘FDA Approval’, but that they will simply be ‘reclassified’ for marketing purposes.

Pfizer asks FDA for full approval of coronavirus vaccine (msn.com)

Those trolls brag that once FDA approved, the fake vaccines can then be made mandatory. Imagine the quality of your life if the thought of other Americans receiving experimental vaccines against their will, in violation of their human and Constitutional Rights, made you felt superior and proud.

The Biden Administration will discover that the American public has, can and will say “NO!” to the destruction of freedom in our nation.  Every day, more are waking up and seeing through the propaganda.

Vaccine specialists like Geert Vanden Bossche are warning that mass vaccinating a population in the middle of an outbreak, as we are told we are living through for a year now, is expected to lead to the development of stronger strains that we would face had we waited for natural herd immunity and treated the ill instead of withholding FDA approved medications. I hope he and the others saying this are wrong.

Given the hard salesmanship, the stripping of our rights, censorship, the violations of the Nuremburg Code of 1948 regarding informed consent, and threats/plans to institute shunning and steady advancement of vaccine passports, I believe the warnings are true.

I don’t believe the stated reason for the vaccinations, presumably Covid-19, explains the dictatorial grasping manner the Biden Administration is trying to treat us like livestock and ‘have us’ mass vaccinated. These bizarre tactics are not medically driven.

Want more proof?

New study from the UK government predicts 60-70% of future Covid deaths will be of those who had the 2nd shot of vaccines....

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/spi-m-o-summary-of-further-modelling-of-easing-restrictions-roadmap-step-2-31-march-2021

Of course we're hearing about 'variants' and the experts don't agree on whether or not our natural immunity to Covid-19 or 'vaccines' will protect us.

There are reasons why vaccination may not provide the benefits to public health claimed by manufacturers, the CDC, Fauci, and the co-owners of Moderna's patent in the NIH.

Italian Researchers: Vaccines Will Not Work Because SARS-CoV-2 Is Also Entering Bacteria (freerepublic.com)

The push for vaccination, 'vaccine apartheid', vaccination passports and vaccination risk censorship is not based on science.


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To: Georgia Girl 2

It hasn’t been proven that spike proteins are shed. That’s just one of the many engineered sci-fi fevered fear dreams at this point.

And it hasn’t even been proved that they would communicate disease even if they could be shed. So far, they are just a creation of science that helps fool the antibodies of a vaccinated person into replicating into something that fights covid. They are not actual parts of a virus. They just look as if they are.


121 posted on 05/08/2021 10:26:56 AM PDT by firebrand ( )
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To: firebrand
It hasn’t been proven that spike proteins are shed. That’s just one of the many engineered sci-fi fevered fear dreams at this point.

Everything's pretty in your world, and the nice CDC man will give you ice cream if you cooperate and be a good little boy.


122 posted on 05/08/2021 10:40:47 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster

I have NEVER used the phrase “Flat Earthers”. Never.

Anti-Vaxxer and Pro-Vaxxer.......Ooooooo so horrible.

Again, whoever you start to sink and lose.......you put words into my mouth.

I don’t secretly say a damn thing.


123 posted on 05/08/2021 12:06:19 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: David Chase

Whoever = Whenever


124 posted on 05/08/2021 12:06:58 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: firebrand
“They are not actual parts of a virus. They just look as if they are.”

And it is all based on a genome code given to us by ...... China.

126 posted on 05/08/2021 2:13:03 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: bagster
I call people 'dude', and 'bro', and, 'bruh', and 'brah' all the time. And sometimes 'homes'. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

'Dude' + memes = OK

'Dude' + snappy comeback = OK

I don't even notice it when you do it.


127 posted on 05/08/2021 2:48:36 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: firebrand
It hasn’t been proven that spike proteins are shed. That’s just one of the many engineered sci-fi fevered fear dreams at this point

Well, the onus is actually on Pharma, fedgov, public health authorities to prove that spike proteins are not transmissible

Shedding is something that live virus vaccines do. Potential for cv19 spike transmission is a completely different matter.

How pathogenic are the spikes? Are we doing follow up testing for spike transmission? Why is Japan not allowing cv19vx takers to donate blood??
128 posted on 05/08/2021 2:54:48 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: ransomnote

Thank you very much for all of your hard work on these topics!!


129 posted on 05/08/2021 3:30:17 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality." )
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To: ifinnegan; ransomnote
Why do you care if others want to vaccinated?

Many of us are doing what Pharma, public health, conventional med and their allies will not do: highlight the risks of the cv19vx.

When the above provax interest groups stop pushing the vax 24/7, and the threat of losing my employment over refusing the vax goes away, I'll stop talking about it.
130 posted on 05/08/2021 3:47:21 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: David Chase
Also, I’m not seeing anyone badger or coax people into getting the vaccine,

I am the only person in my office not to take the cv19vx. We are contractors, so if clients start mandating it for on-site work, I will be out of a job. I was told so by company mgmt. Doesn't matter that I have a history of autoimmune issues. Doesn't matter if my MD is against me getting the vax. Doesn't matter if my blood level of vitamin D is between 80-90 ng/mL every year. Management doesn't care about any of those things. My only hope is if the TX legislature intervenes. Otherwise my career could be finished.
131 posted on 05/08/2021 3:55:07 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: SecAmndmt

I see you live in Texas.

Yes I got vaccinated. But I’m also Pro-Freedom.

So basically all you need is a Vaccine Card. Right? A blank one.

I won’t continue........but to say, if you have a good relationship with your Doc, and he seriously recommends you don’t get vaccinated, well, can’t hurt to ask. Promise him you’ll keep it quiet.

Know a family member that’s been vaccinated?
Ask them to get another card because they lost theirs.
Usually written in pen and easily carefully erase the name and add yours.

Then laminate it. Makes it look more official and tamper proof even though you already tampered with it. Office Depot is doing free laminating of Vaccine Cards.

Disclaimer:
What I just said is an example of what Not to do.
Follow the Law. Never forge in the name of Freedom.


132 posted on 05/08/2021 4:09:08 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: David Chase

You said no one is being badgered. That’s total BS. Everyone who doesn’t trust the vax and/or who won’t take it, is being pressured, badgered, threatened. Contrast that with my approach: offer health and wellness info (typically rejected...oh well), and then say nothing more.

As to my MD, he’s a wellness MD and isn’t going to create a fraudulent document. The authorities want to shut down discussion of therapeutics period, so imagine how wellness MD’s will be treated if they start issuing counterfeit vax documents.

No. I’ll just wait and see.

Either way, I am not getting the cv19vx.


133 posted on 05/08/2021 4:21:31 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: David Chase
Again, whoever you start to sink and lose.......you put words into my mouth.

That's not all....

Wait. Did I just cross the line?

Forget I said that.


134 posted on 05/08/2021 5:35:27 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: firebrand

I take no chances. Our in laws are off the Memorial Day deck party list. 😆


135 posted on 05/09/2021 7:45:03 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SecAmndmt
Well, the onus is actually on Pharma, fedgov, public health authorities to prove that spike proteins are not transmissible

Why is it up to everyone to prove that each accusation in your constant stream of implausible nightmares is wrong?

First of all, it is almost impossible to prove a negative. Second, many of the accusations are designed to be unprovable.

This is psyops, and if we don't get a grip on ourselves we'll be fantisizing these ridiculous sci-fi scenarios forever, to the detriment of actually studying the results of actual experiments, both ongoing and future.

136 posted on 05/09/2021 8:16:20 AM PDT by firebrand ( )
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To: firebrand
Why is it up to everyone to prove that each accusation in your constant stream of implausible nightmares is wrong?

Because that is the way licensing of Pharma is supposed to go. We have effective therapeutics and we have Constitutional rights, yet there is a move to mandate the shots. Stop mandating, and we'll stop demanding that you prove a negative.
137 posted on 05/09/2021 3:08:23 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: SecAmndmt

People keep inventing new nightmare scenarios. Or repeating ones they have heard.

That is not the way big pharma works. There is no reason they have to prove every ludicrous claim, that little dwarfs will crawl out of your ears or whatnot.

There is no mandating at the moment, but there may have to be at some point. Probably just the passport. If we had accomplished the eradication more quickly, that would never have been necessary.

It is only lately that supply has exceeded demand, so I am not blaming the anti-vaxxers for our having lost the race.

The truth is that we may now never get this thing under control, and under control actually means zero cases. But the constant unrolling of new nightmare scenarios to scare people into staying unvaxxed has to stop or we could end up like India when the variants start to show their ugly heads.


138 posted on 05/09/2021 6:55:50 PM PDT by firebrand ( )
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To: firebrand

Talk about fear-mongering.

The plandemic is OVER the moment the population addresses vitD blood levels and zinc deficiency. And we won’t ever have a plandemic for any virus ever again.

You vaxxers thrive on fear of a virus. It is all about control. I will say again...if the truth ever gets out, the ceaucescu treatment will be too good for the vax promotion nutcases.


139 posted on 05/09/2021 7:50:25 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: SecAmndmt

I win, because I didn’t suggest that you be crucified upside-down.


140 posted on 05/10/2021 3:30:21 PM PDT by firebrand ( )
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