Posted on 05/07/2021 5:26:18 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Over 245 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 3, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,178 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
My daughter just had her second shot.
I did everything I could to dissuade her from doing this.
She is getting married this month and wants to start a family.
I’m worried the shot has affected her fertility.
Prince of Space wrote: “It’s only constitutional if it’s an FDA approved vaccine. This is not. It’s available under the Emergency Use Authorization and for that reason nobody can be forced to take it against their will.”
That is correct but multiple reports that both Pfizer and Moderna will be APPROVED by the end of the year.
.0017% doesn’t seem like much risk to the vaccine until it is compared to the actual number of deaths caused by being infected with the virus.
Also pretty sketchy to quote the number of doses given vs. deaths, seeing that 245 million doses does not represent 245 million people being exposed to the vaccine.
Has a vaccine ever been mandated? I’m ambivalent on a general policy, but certainly as long as a vaccine is ‘experimental’ it shouldn’t be mandated.
I just don’t understand the pro vaccine crowd? What science in general are you believing? If you’re so sure of these wonder injections why do you care if anyone else gets them? What are you so afraid of? Are you beginning to have doubts about that experimental injection you willing took into your body? It can’t be removed and there is absolutely zero guarantee that it won’t adversely affect you later. I think a lot of vocal pro-vaxxers are looking for reassurance that they made a smart choice.
While not quite mandates, most universities will require students to show proof of the jab to return to school. NYC is going to have segregated seating for vaxxed versus unvaxxed at sports games. Expect boos when the camera pans the unvaxxed and shows it on the big screen. Some primary schools will require it. Cruises will require it. And on and on. I won't have to worry about it here in rural flyover country but city people will find is impossible to function soon.
How about the fact that this newfangled injection has not been tested enough and only has EUA, not full FDA approval?
How about all the same people who claimed Russia, Russia, Russia for 3-4 years now insist I get the jab?
My County has had all of 35 deaths in 1 1/2 years attributed to COVID and all 80+ and/or with comorbidities that likely would have died had they gotten the flu. We don’t wear masks. Kids have been back at school for 5 months, no masks, no social distancing. We’re living a fairly normal life and aren’t dying or filling up the hospitals. We see absolutely no reason to turn society on it’s head or take some newfangled shot for something that just doesn’t look to be any worse than the flu. Very unhealthy people tend to die of things all the time.
Science has been all over the place on this. The “science” is telling everyone to wear masks. Doesn’t matter that N95 masks are designed to filter dust only or that the only thing a surgeon’s mask does is keep the surgeon’s spittle out of an opened up patient. Homemade masks? What a joke. Bandana? Joke. Wearing any kind of mask over a full beard? Joke. Yet the “science” says those things are suddenly ok now. Any kind of mask is suddenly a magic thing to prevent this highly contagious virus from spreading? Joke.
Science is now a tool of the left.
But, to my knowledge this is the first time a mRNA treatment has been used on humans. It is not "approved" by the FDA. It is only for emergency use. The reason it is not approved is because there is no long-term data on side effects. There are untold ways that long-term side effects could happen. For example, what if in a few years very large numbers of people who received the mRNA gene therapy start coming down with autoimmune diseases where the body's immune system goes haywire and starts attacking its self?
It seems to me that a more appropriate response would be to use the experimental mRNA gene treatment on the most vulnerable where the risk is worth it. Almost all healthy people under 65 years old will recover from COVID on their own.
Things that strike me as odd, very odd:
-Not much news about treatments for people who catch COVID-19 like Rendesivir or antibody transfusions from those who have already recovered. Remember Donald and Melania Trump got COVID-19 and recovered very quickly with known treatments.
-The vaccine (gene treatment) push seems to be coming from the eugenics, population reduction and globalist elitist crowd. Don't know about you, but MC does not trust them.
-The politicization, spin and lies. Usually this is done to convince people to do something they would NOT do if they knew the truth.
-If people have been vaccinated (gene therapy), why are they concerned that someone else chose not to? Aren't they supposed to be immune?
Mandating vaccines is one thing. Every business owner I know would be very, very hesitant about mandating a vaccine that hasn't gone through a full FDA approval process.
Hi, you'll LOVE this one.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3956915/posts
This is an MD at Baylor University, writing in Nature. He wants a high-level, multi-agency task force, including law enforcement, public education and international relations...reporting to the UN.
No I'm not kidding.
A couple cherry-pickings from the article.
Get a load of them.
This is what he says about people opposed to the experimental mRNA shots:
One campaign implies that it could turn people into monkeys.
This builds on a longer, well-documented history of Russia-sponsored disinformation, presumably to destabilize the United States and other democratic countries. The administration of US President Joe Biden has warned Russian media groups to halt their anti-vaccine aggression
Many far-right extremist groups that spread false information about last year’s US presidential election are doing the same about vaccines.
This is the call for a totalitarian purge, using the full force of the US government, based on baldface lies. And look, it's all those pesky Trump voters.
“RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA.” “FAR RIGHT EXTREMIST GROUPS THAT SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION.”
They ALWAYS go back to the same playbook.
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1.”Nearly one billion COVID-19 vaccine doses have been delivered in less than six months, but anti-vaccine disinformation and targeted attacks on scientists are undermining progress. These threats must be confronted directly, and the authority and expertise of the health community alone aren’t enough to do this.”
2.”Even before the pandemic, I had a front-row seat to all of this. I have co-led efforts to develop vaccines in programmes, including a COVID-19 vaccine currently being tested in India.”
3.”Teams of experts, including me, began meeting regularly online to discuss how best to amplify evidence-based messages, deliver public-service announcements and address concerns around COVID-19 immunization.”
4.”...when I ask for a more direct way to counter anti-vaccine aggression, I’m told, “that’s not our approach; confrontation gives them a platform and oxygen.” In my opinion, this attitude reflects a time when we had dial-up modems. Today, the anti-vaccine empire has hundreds of websites and perhaps 58 million followers on social media. The bad guys are winning, in part because health agencies either underestimate or deny the reach of anti-science forces, and are ill-equipped to counter it.”
5. the US State Department and the UK Foreign Office have described how Russian intelligence organizations seek to discredit Western COVID-19 vaccines. One campaign implies that it could turn people into monkeys. This builds on a longer, well-documented history of Russia-sponsored disinformation, presumably to destabilize the United States and other democratic countries. The administration of US President Joe Biden has warned Russian media groups to halt their anti-vaccine aggression, and announced sanctions tied to disinformation and other behaviour, but we need much more.”
6.”According to the London-based Center for Countering Digital Hate, these are influential groups, not a spontaneous grass-roots movement. Many far-right extremist groups that spread false information about last year’s US presidential election are doing the same about vaccines.”
Please stop with the anti-science sentiment. I’m not against vaccines but I’m against being forced to take vaccines. There’s a big difference there…the Bible and God’s word is great for a society but should you be forced and shamed into reading it?
So? I’m still not taking it. I doubt it’ll be constitutional then either, especially since the pandemic will be winding down soon. Plus, for every restaurant or venue or store that requires a vaccination, another will spring up that doesn’t require one.
Prince of Space wrote: “So? I’m still not taking it. I doubt it’ll be constitutional then either, especially since the pandemic will be winding down soon. Plus, for every restaurant or venue or store that requires a vaccination, another will spring up that doesn’t require one.”
Perhaps, but one should remember the federal government cannot mandate the vaccine in any case except in limited cases. It is something that only a state or local jurisdiction can impose.
The federal government could mandate the vaccine for those on federal property or those in federal employment. Other than that, it’s pretty much a state issue.
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