What's Behind Vaccine Hysteria?

American Thinker ^ | 7 May, 2021 | Sally Zelikovsky

[MtnClimber]

Hysterical people are scrambling to figure out how to get the vaccine hesitant to capitulate.

If you are reluctant to get the COVID vaccine and beginning to feel overrun by forces pressuring you to get vaccinated, you aren’t alone and you aren’t crazy. There’s a reason you feel the way you do. You are being manipulated.

We are being bombarded with commercials pushing us to be socially responsible. Medical professionals, celebrities, and folks in our communities admonish us not to shirk our civic duty. Suddenly, the vaccine is the only way to normalcy.

Friends and family openly brag about their vaccinations and gasp in astonishment when they find out you haven’t decided or, worse, that you will not get it. Doctors who inquire also give that disapproving look.

The president routinely stokes fear, recently decrying the unvaccinated. Andrew Cuomo had the gall to suggest that the unvaccinated “could kill their own grandmother.”

Adding to the pile-on, we are now besieged with “incentive” programs offered by public-private partnerships that essentially divide us into the vaxxed and the unvaxxed… and it’s becoming downright creepy.

First, the simple “get jabbed, get a gift” incentives. Following a similar program in Connecticut, New Jersey’s governor launched the “Shot and a Beer” program where those who get vaccinated in May get a free beer at participating breweries upon presentation of a “vaccination card.” He’s also promoting a “Grateful for the Shot” program that whisks churchgoers away from religious services to vaccination sites.

[bgill]

1) $$$$$$$$

2) It is nothing but another twitter challenge.

[grey_whiskers]

Nobel Prize winner Luc Montaigner (who co-discovered HIV) said the virus is bioengineered.

Nobel Laureate in Medicine and IIRC, former President of CalTech, said the furin cleavage site on the spike protein is a smoking gun that the virus was bioengineered and is not natural.

Why are you so gung-ho to get everyone injected with the very part of the virus turned into a weapon by the Chicoms?

Not to mention the medical papers talking about the specific ways the spike protein from the mRNA jabs damages the body.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

Again, this isn’t what you think (or rather wish) it is.

First, I assume you’re talking about Rudolf Jaenisch and Richard Young’s work. They released a pre-print paper back in December 2020 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1.full.pdf) which had some interesting speculation, but which was riddled with holes that the authors themselves admitted were there.

In short, what they did was infect cells in a petri dish with COVID-19 and added components of HIV and other things to provide an opportunity for a complex process called reverse-transcription to occur. They then located some small fragments of viral RNA that had integrated and compared those with sample COVID-19 patient tissues looking to see if they could find those sequences.

That pre-print paper was never published for peer review, however a new version was just put out recently (https://www.pnas.org/content/118/21/e2105968118) wherein they made a lot of changes to try and address the initial paper’s shortcomings. The problem is that while their work is interesting, it’s mere correlation without any observed mechanism for action outside of the laboratory. There are already response papers out on this (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.05.434119v1.full.pdf). And those correlations are based on exceedingly small fragments of genetic sequences which - mathematically - could easily occur by chance given the sample sizes involved.

Further, the authors themselves acknowledge they have no direct evidence at this point. There’s a lot more discussion on the topic here: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/05/further-evidence-offered-claim-genes-pandemic-coronavirus-can-integrate-human-dna

In short, you’re presenting preliminary work with no direct evidence to support it as though it were indisputable fact. The authors of the paper themselves would say your claims are vastly overstated. And they’ve got an uphill battle as it is considering the problems present in their methodology thus far. But even they aren’t going to agree with you here.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"Oh yeah. Moderna admitted in their filing with the SEC last year, that their jab is an experimental gene therapy."

No, they didn't. They stated in an SEC filing targeted toward investors that their vaccine is currently classified by FDA as a gene therapy and that may have negative connotations with the public that could impact their financial performance. They did not state that their product is a gene therapy.

"2trollprotects the rest was crowing about how there WERE NO DOCUMENTS, before I linked them."

I stated there was no document where Moderna calls their product gene therapy. There isn't. What you linked to didn't have Moderna calling their product gene therapy. It stated a material fact: that FDA currently classifies it as such, and that fact is material to the SEC and investors because of the potential financial impact that classification has on their financial performance.

You continue to twist facts and statements to mean things they don't because you so desperately want the American Trump vaccines to fail. You are either willfully or unwittingly assisting the Chinese Communist Party in their disinformation campaign against the Trump vaccines.

Are you willingly assisting the Chinese in discrediting the Trump vaccines? Or are you doing so by mere coincidence?

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"Nobel Prize winner Luc Montaigner (who co-discovered HIV) said the virus is bioengineered."

That's one individual's opinion. He may be right. He may be wrong. It's not particularly relevant whether it's bioengineered or naturally occurring. It's still just lipids, phosphates, proteins, nitrogen bases, and pentose sugars. Basically a collection of amino acids and nucleic acids. It's not some magical sentient AI killer robot from the future sent by Skynet.

"Why are you so gung-ho to get everyone injected with the very part of the virus turned into a weapon by the Chicoms?"

Well firstly, I'm not all gung-ho to get everyone injected with anything. I've said from the beginning that each individual has the right to make their own decision about what's best for their own health and wellbeing, and that includes whether to get one COVID-19 vaccine or another, now, later, or never. Second, the S protein is the best available antigen to target based on nearly two decades of testing with SARS-CoV-1 and MERS-CoV. It's the most reactive and the safest to target to avoid ADE. The nucleocapsid proteins have actual potential for ADE, so they're avoided in the vaccines.

"Not to mention the medical papers talking about the specific ways the spike protein from the mRNA jabs damages the body."

Get a few S proteins in the arm or get your whole body full of SARS-CoV-2 viruses that are covered in S proteins, self-replicate, and travel all over the body. Easy choice. I'll take a few in the arm so my body can instantly neutralize any actual viruses that try to use my body as a replication farm.

I find it hilariously disingenuous that you express such terror at the thought of having a relatively small number of S proteins without a virus in your body, but also express utter disregard for having a full-on infection of COVID-19 where billions of viruses are replicating and spewing S proteins all over every part of your body for weeks on end. You ever notice that? Infection with billions of viruses covered in S proteins: no big deal. A small number of S proteins in your arm: everyone's gonna die!!!

What a joke.

[grey_whiskers]

The problem is that while their work is interesting, it’s mere correlation without any observed mechanism for action outside of the laboratory

You sure don't have much in the way of reading comprehension, do you?

The second sentence of the paper says:

Here we investigated the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome and that transcription of the integrated sequences might account for PCR-positive tests.

They have a putative mechanism. Your earlier posts said such a thing was IMPOSSIBLE.

I don't think Harvard and MIT would waste their time on something already known to be impossible.

You then go on to say:

And those correlations are based on exceedingly small fragments of genetic sequences which - mathematically - could easily occur by chance given the sample sizes involved.

Yeah, the paper "deboonking" the results wasn't particularly clear about the average length of the sequences involved.

More telling were the two sentences:

Between 16% and 28% of analysed mtRNA-nRNA junctions exhibited an overlap of 3 or more nucleotides between mitochondrial and nuclear sequences (Figure 3A).

That doesn't sound like a lot, which is moderately reassuring: the key here is how many codons need to change in order to introduce a furin cleavage in the spike protein of other SARS viruses, where they didn't have one. I think one of the earlier papers mentioned an insert of 12 codons...

That being noted, however, the authors then go on to point out

"Similarly, we identified chimeric reads between SARS-CoV-2 and RNA transcribed from the adenoviral vector used to overexpress ACE2, in target cells(Blanco-Melo et al., 2020), which would have necessitated integration of SARS-CoV-2 DNA copies in episomal adenoviral DNA. The finding that up to 24% of chimeric reads were formed between SARS-CoV-2 RNA and RNA transcribed from mitochondrial DNA or episomal adenoviral DNA suggested similarly artifactual generation of the remaining reads."

What THAT is saying, is that if there's an adenovirus around, *it* can incorporate RNA from the COVID-19 virus into its genome.

This has implications both for the QC on the preparation of adenovirus-based injections (as has already happened, even though the genetic segments responsible for reproduction were supposed to have been removed in order to prevent it); and it raises the possibility, that co-infection with an adenovirus might end up with RNA sequences from the jabs, being propagated into other viruses, thence to make their way into the wide world. You know, like the people attempting to dismiss bioengineering, claim how the spike protein came to be uniquely adapted to humans in the first place.

(You can't have it both ways, troll-boi. Either it was engineered, or significant transfer of RNA between viruses, capable of clinically meaningful morphological changes to the binding site of the spike protein, have happened in the wild; so experimental evidence, both in manufacturing of injections, and in papers designed to debooonk integration viral RNA into the human genome, shows that viral RNA does get incorporated into other viruses.)

As far as your other link, , its title is

Further evidence supports controversial claim that SARS-CoV-2 genes can integrate with human DNA, which renders it curious that you'd include it in a DEBOOOONKING of the earlier work.

and mentions along the way that one of the scientists critical of the preprint, now says “The integration data in cell culture is much more convincing than what was presented in the preprint, but it’s still not totally clean,” says Feschotte, who now calls Jaenisch’s and Young’s hypothesis “plausible.” (SARS-CoV-2, he notes, can also persist in a person for months without integrating its genes.)

So plausible is a long way from "IMPOSSIBLE" which is what you claimed.

Note that I myself didn't say "OMG the vaccine is changing human DNA" but that "with the whole virus, RNA sequences got incorporated, how do we know it CAN'T happen with the jabs?"

I am moderately comforted, but in another sense, more alarmed, as it showed adenoviruses CAN uptake RNA from the virus, and CAN incorporate genetic information into the human genome; either one has its own set of potential risks.

[grey_whiskers]

*snerk*.

That's not ALL they said; they also pointed out it had to do with the hurdles they'd have in getting approval for use.

And that has to do with $$$.

And that's where YOU come in.

You are either willfully or unwittingly assisting the Chinese Communist Party in their disinformation campaign against the Trump vaccines.

Nope. I quoted the FDA. Now, if you want to link the FDA to the Chicoms, given who POTATUS is, and who his son is, and "10% for the big guy" go ahead. Except that, you know, your accusation is a bald-faced lie from the beginning, because of the distribution of fatalities from this virus means near-universal jabs are a waste of time, but a nice profit center for you trolls, in addition to a nice totalitarian opportunity, like that Ding-Dong MD from Baylor was masturbating over.

Oh, it's also a lie that the Chinese are against these jabs, when top POTATUS Admin officials are all about waiving patents and allowing the Chicoms to get their hands on the intellectual property.

Just THINK how much more the Chicoms will be able to improve their knowledge of spike proteins and how to make them even more harmful, when given full access to the US intellectual property!

[grey_whiskers]

The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”

That could point to

a) a resevoir of subclinical infections (not necessarily good)

b) incorporation of viral genetic sequences (by whatever means, native COVID or reverse transcriptase from other viruses, or recombination with other viruses, or (say) lingering spike protein being detected (not necessarily good)

c) hypersensitivity / nonspecificity of the PCR (farcial but tragical more than funny)

[grey_whiskers]

It's not new, just unwarranted, given how few die of COVID among most age groups and the exaggeration of the number of deaths "From" the coof as opposed to "with" the coof;

and given the availability of effective, well-tolerated OTC treatments like Ivermectin and HCQ / Zinc.

But those are cheap and don't make Big Pharma any money, and they don't allow panic to allow for more government control over everyone's lives, so...

[boxlunch]

Fantastic reply! Agree 100%. We definitely have our own vax propaganda machine right here on FR.

[HandyDandy]

"These are the first products on the open market, but the mRNA platform has been in wide-scale development from many companies for decades."

Yes, I understand they have made great progress in wiping out mice and monkeys and ferrets.....using this “new” methodology.

[grey_whiskers]

"These are the first products on the open market, but the mRNA platform has been in wide-scale development from many companies for decades."

In other words, mRNA has sucked for decades and they could never get it approved, because it didn't work, and Moderna was $1.74 billion in debt last year.

Now with the coof, here's their chance to have hundreds of millions of people as guinea pigs, and strong political cover to have NO liability, even though there have been more deaths reported to VAERS subsequent to COVID, than the sum of ALL vaccines to date;

and even though prior (real) vaccines got a black-box warning at 5 deaths and pulled from the market at 25,

but mRNA is ramping up after well over 3,000 deaths reported to VAERS and counting
and that despite VAERS slow-walking the input of reports about adverse events/deaths from the mRNA, like the FBI avoiding Hillary's and Hunter's laptops.

[grey_whiskers]

2ndtrollprotectstherest is either a shill for BigPharma or a glowie here to counteract and observe resistance to the BigPharma/BigGovt. unnecessary-but-required experimental jabs.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

False fearmongering.

Bearing false witness is a sin.

[maddog55]

Yep.. and 2aProtectsTheRest hasn’t responded yet.

[sageburn]

Yep, I agree. He does his best to try and come across as an expert. He truly does not understand the significance of the word “experimental”. And his analysis that he gleefully expounds on is based on seriously questionable and flawed data.

[grey_whiskers]

...your side is the one making snide remarks about flat-earthers and people who don't know SCIENCE™! and conspiracy theorists.

Your side is the one literally blaming their opponents for being right-wing extremists and being the same people spreading disinformation about the 2020 election.

Your side is the one making up rumors that "anti-vaxxers" say the virus will turn you into a monkey, or that people say eating onions and salt will stop the virus.

Your side is the one accusing your opponents of being tools of Russia and of China.

Having a couple of Nobel Prize winners talking within their fields of expertise, saying the virus was bioengineered counteracts your foul propaganda.

And I love your "who, ME?" "I did not have sex with that woman" "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" non-denial.

"It's not some magical sentient AI killer robot from the future by Skynet."

No, it was created by the Chicoms, with the likely assistance and connivance of some very rich liberals, and funding from Fauci & Co., and the policy connivance of a LOT of Democrats.

Somehow you're desperate to bury all that.

Liberals accuse their opponents of what THEY'RE doing.

That's why Hillary started out saying the accusations about Monica were the product of a "vast right wing conspiracy" and why you accused me of working in the Chinese interests.

Second, the S protein is the best available antigen to target based on nearly two decades of testing with SARS-CoV-1 and MERS-CoV. It's the most reactive and the safest to target to avoid ADE. The nucleocapsid proteins have actual potential for ADE, so they're avoided in the vaccines.

Given the increasing number of adverse effects on the human body being discovered as due to the spike protein, I kinda doubt that.

That being said, if you have peer-reviewed journals showing that ADE is a known issue with the coof, and that the mechanism has been definitely linked to only the nucleocapsid proteins, post them.

Unless you're saying you guys REALLY screwed the pooch by backdoor under the table deals with China -- they get to experiment with bioweapons, you get filthy rich peddling treatments for their early attempts -- and you didn't think they'd be so stupid or evil, as to choose a virus which had BOTH ADE *and* truly malicious spike proteins.

As far as your final rant.

Maybe you didn't notice.

We KNOW the coof isn't particularly deadly to anyone under 70. AND we know that many people will fight off a transient exposure and never notice; there is no guarantee that you ever will have more than a transient exposure.

And we know that viruses tend to grow LESS virulent over time.

It's been well over a year, despite the hype out of India and Brazil (just in time for that last final push to force the jabs).

But the jabs were explicitly and specifically exempted from normal testing.

And despite the bad side effects reported to VAERS literally dwarfing that of every vaccine ever in that system, despite only being around less than a year, and despite the slow walking of data entry into the system, you're salivating at the though of everyone having to take it. Despite your denials.

Seems to me you posted a couple days ago that approval was coming no matter what people try to do about it.

And the POTATUS and followers have already been trying to create totalitarian controls based on this virus and the jabs.

[grey_whiskers]

ROFL!! WE KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROPAGANDA PLANS. THE MD AT BAYLOR LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG.
You’re FAUC’D.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

Sometimes I have better things to do than go back and forth with people helping China with their anti-Trump vaccine conspiracy theory disinformation campaign.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/russia-china-sow-disinformation-undermine-trust-western-vaccines-eu-report-says-2021-04-28/
https://www.dw.com/en/eu-accuses-russia-china-of-covid-vaccine-disinformation/a-57367812
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3131501/coronavirus-china-and-russia-sow-disinformation-undermine-trust
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-04-28/russia-china-sow-disinformation-to-undermine-trust-in-western-vaccines-eu-report-says

President Trump kicked off Operation Warp Speed and saw it through to the end, providing us with American-made safe and effective vaccines. Now the Chinese want to torpedo public faith in western vaccines so they can sell their own. They - and you - are calling President Trump a liar and a failure.

So keep on spreading Chinese Communist Party propaganda. Maybe some people will even buy the lies. 150 million Americans haven’t bought into them and already got their vaccines, but maybe a few will.