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What Doomed the Great City of Cahokia? Not Ecological Hubris, Study Says
NYT ^ | April 24, 2021, 5:00 a.m. ET | Asher Elbein

Posted on 04/24/2021 8:58:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Excavations at the city, famous for its pre-Columbian mounds, challenge the idea that residents destroyed the city through wood clearing.

A thousand years ago, a city rose on the banks of the Mississippi River, near what eventually became the city of St. Louis. Sprawling over miles of rich farms, public plazas and earthen mounds, the city — known today as Cahokia — was a thriving hub of immigrants, lavish feasting and religious ceremony. At its peak in the 1100s, Cahokia housed 20,000 people, greater than contemporaneous Paris.

By 1350, Cahokia had largely been abandoned, and why people left the city is one of the greatest mysteries of North American archaeology.

Now, some scientists are arguing that one popular explanation — Cahokia had committed ecocide by destroying its environment, and thus destroyed itself — can be rejected out of hand. Recent excavations at Cahokia led by Caitlin Rankin, an archaeologist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, show that there is no evidence at the site of human-caused erosion or flooding in the city.

Rather than absolutely ruining the landscape, she added, Cahokians seem to have re-engineered it into something more stable.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: asherelbein; cahokia; godsgravesglyphs; middleages; mississippians; mississippiriver; monksmound; mounds; primitives
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To: Larry Lucido

Where did you buy them from? Big Lots? /sarc>


21 posted on 04/24/2021 10:09:12 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: BenLurkin

It is usually cultish cruelty that brings a top-down society to its demise.

The cultish part of downfall derives from the priestcraft which, while things are going well, takes credit for things going well (harvests, health, victories, etc). As things begin to go poorly, cult priests insist it’s because the people are negligent in appeasing the gods, so the priests demand more. As circumstances continue to worsen, the sacrifices demanded of the people become intolerable. The people rebel, revolt, overthrow and execute the tyrants.

The closely-held secrets of the advanced society go to the grave with the adepts. Unaware of how to run the society as before, and perhaps haunted by it, the peons scatter or are absorbed by lesser tribes.


22 posted on 04/24/2021 10:09:37 AM PDT by Migraine
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To: BenLurkin
Cahokia — was a thriving hub of immigrants

Or, as literate people call them, "natives" -- the opposite of "immigrants".

23 posted on 04/24/2021 10:10:00 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: TribalPrincess2U
They had pyramids in America?

Earthen ones, yes, at Cahokia. Also called mounds.

St. Louis had them too. But more mound than pyramid.

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At St. Louis all but one have been destroyed.


24 posted on 04/24/2021 10:21:37 AM PDT by x
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To: grey_whiskers

How did you know? :)


25 posted on 04/24/2021 10:33:14 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: All

Sounds like the direct consequences of liberalism struck them...


26 posted on 04/24/2021 10:40:05 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Pyramids were built all over the world after the dispersion of Babel.


27 posted on 04/24/2021 10:55:21 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism. )
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To: BenLurkin

“on the banks of the Mississippi River”

I guess these people think “pre-Columbian” means “pre-river floods”.


28 posted on 04/24/2021 11:12:20 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: BenLurkin

“destroyed the city through wood clearing”

Wood became increasing more expensive and hard to get as colonial Philadelphia grew. Forests were cut down for many miles beyond the city.

Ben Franklin developed his ‘Franklin stove’ to utilize wood more efficiently.

NYC also had a big wood supply problem in the early 19th Century, but coal from NE Pennsylvania was brought into NYC, permitting NYC to continue growing.


29 posted on 04/24/2021 11:14:54 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: BenLurkin

Hi.

Ever been to Pahokee FL?

Or Okochobee FL?

25 ft. mounds. They call it a levy.

5.56mm


30 posted on 04/24/2021 11:15:57 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho ain't my president.)
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To: BenLurkin

“What Doomed the Great City of Cahokia?”

It was in Illinois.


31 posted on 04/24/2021 11:21:11 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

They must have had a series of democrat chiefs. That would doom any civilization.


32 posted on 04/24/2021 11:24:19 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: BenLurkin

I know what happened... Their version of AOC told them they had only 10 years, but they didn’t listen to her... 😀


33 posted on 04/24/2021 11:35:20 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Rest In PEACE, Rush H. Limbaugh III. You are missed already...)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
"They had pyramids in America?"

There are more pyramids in Mexico than all the rest of the world combined.

Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders

34 posted on 04/24/2021 11:55:41 AM PDT by blam
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To: BenLurkin

As a site of much immigration, Cahokia was flooded with migrants, believed to be members of the various Gimmedat tribes, who took part in the good things there but would not work.


35 posted on 04/24/2021 12:09:25 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: blueunicorn6

No, there was a different, separate large mound city where St. Louis now stands. Cahokia lies on the east side of the river, in the farmlands between the bluffs of Collinsville, and the burned-out wreckage of East St. Louis a/k/a Beirut-on-the-Mississippi.


36 posted on 04/24/2021 12:17:13 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: blueunicorn6

Cahokia is the name of a later group of Indians that had no knowledge of the Indians who originally built the mounds. No one knows what the original inhabitants called themselves or the city.


37 posted on 04/24/2021 12:19:14 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Wuli

I think you probably nailed it. The elites developed more and more power until at some point the people, who were likely more seasonal in their habitation than their European counterparts [Indians farming in spring and summer in the area of the city, and hunting in fall and winter in the outermost suburbs], realized they could just stay in the suburbs or frontier areas and be better off.


38 posted on 04/24/2021 12:26:48 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: blam

Really? Are thry still there?


39 posted on 04/24/2021 12:34:16 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: blam

Never mind, I see the photos. Thanks. I feel so stupid about history.


40 posted on 04/24/2021 12:38:51 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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