Posted on 04/08/2021 5:01:59 AM PDT by Jonty30
Me: Making it easier to vote, without the security of ensuring that only those legally eligible to vote are casting votes and not dead people or illegals or those casting multiple votes makes the system corrupt.
Liberal: Spoken like a McConnell & Paul voter.
Me:Rand Paul, sure. He’s a libertarian. It can’t be helped that liberals are traitors to their countrymen and would gladly sell their countrymen into slavery for their ideals. To protect the vote, I’d remove a liberal’s right to vote if it were up to me. Anybody who believes in slavery, through socialism, should never be allowed to cast a vote.
Liberal: So inorder to “protect” the constitution of the country you would destroy it. Spoken like a true Republican.
Me: Socialism would destroy the Republic. Proving one’s legal requirement to vote and taking steps to ensure only honest votes are cast does not violate the Constitution. What have you against honest voting?
Liberal: You are the one who is talking about removing liberals right to vote. What do you have against honest voting. Removing anyone’s right to vote would turn the country into a fascist state.
Me: Dead people, illegal voting, and multiple voting are not rights in the right to vote. Nobody’s right to vote is being removed. Everybody gets the chance to cast one vote.
Liberal: The usual banal blather drilled into tRumpanzees at tRump rallies is growing old and tedious.
Me: There is nothing tedious about the Democrat desire to enslave. Only a person who believes that people should be enslaved for your personal benefit would say such a thing. That just makes you an evil person. There is nothing tedious about that.
Liberal: And you believe that removing the power to certify elections from elections management professionals and handing it over to Republican politicians as they have done in Georgia is a terrific way to ensure free and fair elections. tRump has really done a number on members of his cult.
Me: I think that all the information from elections should be open for anybody to inspect to their satisfaction. Election information should be open information, so we know that votes were cast fairly.
Liberal: Am sure having tRumps henchmen certify elections is a tRumpers wet dream. That's what the Georgia law does.
Me: Keep the information and you’ll have nothing to worry about. Georgia’s law is like Colorado’s, but it gives a longer time for advance polling.
Liberal: We need hundreds of laws, disenfranchising millions of people, to protect us from the average of two (yes two) instances of individual voter fraud each year, but we don’t need any laws to protect us from a virus that’s killed over 1/2 million people in one year. Got it.
Me: Those one or two instances of voter fraud could change elections. I’m not interested in becoming a slave in a socialist nation, because our liberal enslavers want to go to their graves securely wrapped in their blanket of virtue. You’re just giving evidence that you believe words and laws are magical things that can keep viruses at bay, heal the earth, turn back the oceans, change the trajectory of meteorites. Have you tried casting spells by speaking in rhyme or backwards?
Liberal: Please find one election outcome that has ever been changed because of individual voter fraud. You’ll never do it. Protecting a hypothetical by disenfranchising millions of people is unAmerican, and obviously shows that the intent is simply to minimize Democratic voters. It’s never been about election integrity but about voter suppression. Even Republican leadership has begun saying that part out loud. And many of the laws, like reducing precincts in black-heavy districts, have zero effect on election integrity, even hypothetically. Bottom line: Republicans are a minority party. They know it and need to suppress votes to win.
Me: I don’t need to find an election outcome. I only need to recognize the risk of such an election outcome in order to want to take preventative measures. I’m not a liberal who needs to be dragged to death camps before he realizes that he should have taken steps to protect himself. You’re right, I do want to minimize many Democrat votes. I don’t want votes of dead people, or illegals, or people who will vote a couple dozen times. One vote per legal voter that is cast anonymously. That’s what I want.
I go to take scalps.
Liberals, particularly Demonicrats, are lying murdering traitors. It’s a waste of time trying to “argue” with them, especially the liberals ravaged by TDS.
I know they are, but I go to expose them and hopefully alert the stupids to how their being used before it is too late.
“to expose them and hopefully alert the stupids”
That’s important to remember, the point is not really to change the mind of the liberal (which is often like trying to argue your computer into a different operating system); the goal is to reach those watching/reading who may be on the fence.
Challenge the word “disenfranchisement”. A voter should - at least once - have to prove their enfranchisement before anyone can claim disenfranchisement.
To be enfranchised is to have a privilege or right based on a specific condition, like citizenship and age for voting. To claim the right, one has to prove the conditions are fulfilled.
What login id do you use on Quora?
That’s exactly it. To save the country, we are going to need to the moderates. If the moderates are deceived into voting for their own doom, we are all lost.
For me, what I do on Quora is not just a vanity project.
I’m John Paterson and I look like a bashful polar bear.
Good point. I will put that in my quiver.
“For me, what I do on Quora is not just a vanity project.”
I’m sure you get a lot of pushback. If this bit is a good example, it looks like you are more than holding your own.
One thing I try to educate liberals on is that they need to end the Constitution to have what they want. Nobody is stopping them from starting up a healthcare exchange or a charity, using liberal principles, to get what they want.
If a liberal started a charity, I wouldn’t say no to contributing to it.
I do hold my own, often more than that.
You can’t be afraid of them or afraid of not getting along with them. They want you subjugated and enslaved. I’m going to back down from them when that is their base desire for me.
I’m not going to back down, I mean.
Sounds like a conversation between two people who didn’t read the legislation.
Here’s where you went off the rails: “To protect the vote, I’d remove a liberal’s right to vote if it were up to me.”
The rest of it was similar to the arguments I used to have with liberals. I don’t engage this type any more. I invoke Matthew 7:6.
I’m not being serious on that, but I am acknowledging the dangers that liberals represent in their desire to impose socialism on America.
I’ve changed my vernacular. I separate leftists from liberals and use that thinking “tool” in discussions to separate conservatives from the far right.
I’ve been arguing politics with “liberals” since the early 80’s. Here is the change that has taken place:
Everyone considered being called a “liberal” to be an insult. Then it became less and less so to the point that people started identifying as liberal. And the ultimate insult was to call someone a socialist.
And now many self identify as socialist.
The challenge is that the younger americans on the left are so utterly ignorant of the history of the world that they don’t even consider socialism a bad thing and even consider it a good thing. This is why debating on the internet no longer works. We don’t even agree on basic principles. We have literally become the equivalent of Jews and Nazis arguing.
i.e. Talk is not going to resolve it. Policies and world views will have to be allowed to bear fruit - poison fruit - before they can be removed. And let’s be frank. That is how God does it.
Your OP is the sort of thing I’ve been dealing with for the last 15 years or so. I no longer use liberal as a bad word. I prefer “leftist.” I like to derail them by calling myself a “Classical liberal”, which is what our founders were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
What outcome were you hoping to achieve in this conversation? That the liberal would agree with you? That they would admit there was cheating in the 2020 election? That they somehow have made a mistake in voting for Biden? I place you high upon a pedestal and bow before you for having the courage to engage in this conversation, but you’ll never win an argument with a liberal. They’ll lie, cheat, steal, ignore you and move the goalposts in order to keep you from “winning”. WE KNOW they can’t win their argument, but they’ll never admit you were right...even if it looks like you won to everyone observing the conversation. Once again, kudos for mixing it up with a liberal.
Now, go take a shower. No telling what germs they passed on to you...
It’s the moderates that I’m trying to warn. I have a moral duty to at least make people aware of the consequences of liberalism. If they still want it and suffer for, I can’t be judged for having failed to warn them.
I do need a shower, for sure. Haha
Liberals, particularly Demonicrats, are lying murdering traitors. It’s a waste of time trying to “argue” with them, especially the liberals ravaged by TDS.
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Well and truly said.
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