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How Much Do We Still Owe to Ernest Hemingway?
slat ^ | 4/5/21 | Laura Miller

Posted on 04/05/2021 12:01:41 PM PDT by Borges

The idea of a Ken Burns documentary on Ernest Hemingway seems both obvious and a bit absurd. Burns’ long project of celebrating the most dad-friendly pillars of American culture and history—the Civil War, baseball, jazz—makes Hemingway (after Mark Twain, covered by Burns in 2002) almost inevitable. Hemingway’s life was full of exciting adventures, and, not incidentally, he is surely the most photographed writer of the 20th century, so there’s lots of visual material to draw from. Yet after decades of dominating ideas about how a writer should live and work, Hemingway feels increasingly irrelevant today, his influence diminished to a vanishing point, his reputation corroded by a dated personal mythos. According to the Chicago Tribune, even in Hemingway’s hometown of Oak Park, Illinois, F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby alone outsells all of Hemingway’s work combined, and the Hemingway Foundation had to launch a GoFundMe campaign to keep the museum at his birthplace open.

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To: Borges
Looking forward to this. Burns' bio of Mark Twain was terrific.

How naive can you be?

PBS/Chappie Burns vs. a long dead Hemingway?

Who do you suppose will get the last word in that exchange?

Fool.

21 posted on 04/05/2021 12:23:48 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Borges

Other than Atlas Shrugged, have never been much of a fiction reader. Am glad i was able to dodge most of the “recommended reading” list in high school, Hemmingway included. Shakespere—always get Macbeth and Hamlet mixed up and who cares anyway. Had three digbat college English professors but got 2 As and a B.

Ken Burns is a leftie Hillaryista but I liked the Civil War and especially Empire of the Air.


22 posted on 04/05/2021 12:24:36 PM PDT by GunsareOK (Why read fiction when you can watch it on TV?)
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To: TalBlack
They forced me to read The Old Man and the Sea, and I tried For Whom the Bell Tolls when I was 10 or 11 and I came away with the very strong impression that the author very much doubted his manhood.

On that topic check out what happened to one of Hemingway's sons.

23 posted on 04/05/2021 12:24:42 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Kamala the Border Czar Who Doesn't Actually Go to the Border)
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To: PJ-Comix

James Jones was quite a character - have always wanted to read his work.


24 posted on 04/05/2021 12:25:26 PM PDT by Fury
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To: Borges

I found Hemingway’s writing depressing. Apparently Hemingway found it so depressing himself that he committed suicide.


25 posted on 04/05/2021 12:25:29 PM PDT by Nateman (Keep Liberty Alive! Article V)
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To: PJ-Comix

He wrote in the morning, before drinking, as a rule. The standing up may have been related to hemorrhoids.


26 posted on 04/05/2021 12:25:51 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: GunsareOK

Check out “From Here to Eternity” by James Jones and after you read the first chapter, I guarantee you won’t put the book down. Oh, and in that book, Jones had a bit of fun with Hemingway’s reputation.


27 posted on 04/05/2021 12:26:01 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Kamala the Border Czar Who Doesn't Actually Go to the Border)
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To: Borges

I never met anyone who knew Hemingway who liked him.


28 posted on 04/05/2021 12:26:50 PM PDT by ryderann
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To: PJ-Comix

Perhaps Papa’s greatest contribution to mankind was this invention:

https://www.mixology.recipes/cocktails/dry-martini-mongomery-s-15-1-ratio

Dry Martini (Mongomery’s 15:1 ratio)

Stir in mixing glass with ice and strain
2 oz London dry gin (6 cl)
1/8 oz dry vermouth (0.4 cl)
1 dash orange bitters
Serve in a well chilled cocktail glass (4.5 oz)

The favorite Martini of Ernest Hemingway. Named after Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery (1887-1976) who is said to have preferred having 15:1 advantage for his attacks.


29 posted on 04/05/2021 12:27:09 PM PDT by abb
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To: Fury
James Jones was quite a character - have always wanted to read his work.

James Jones is best known for "From Here To Eternity" but his "Some Came Running" is THE Great American novel.

30 posted on 04/05/2021 12:27:21 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Kamala the Border Czar Who Doesn't Actually Go to the Border)
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To: Borges

I enjoyed Hemingway. Guess that makes me a misogynist.

“Big Two-Hearted River” has some great fishing scenes in it.

And dames. Can’t forget the dames.


31 posted on 04/05/2021 12:27:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Anti-racism looks suspiciously like racism.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Maybe I’ll watch the movie instead. Was Frank Sinatra in that one?


32 posted on 04/05/2021 12:28:19 PM PDT by GunsareOK (Why read fiction when you can watch it on TV?)
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To: GunsareOK
Other than Atlas Shrugged...

And overlong humorless speech disguised as a novel.

33 posted on 04/05/2021 12:29:00 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Kamala the Border Czar Who Doesn't Actually Go to the Border)
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To: 4yearlurker

Just for the record, that is his brother, in case one tries to search just by using “sister.”


34 posted on 04/05/2021 12:29:21 PM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: Nateman

He was becoming a bit demented, probably because of the alcohol. He was also undergoing shock therapy at the Mayo Clinic. Had delusions(?) about the Feds, dating back to the Cuba days.


35 posted on 04/05/2021 12:30:19 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Borges

I have read some of Hemingway’s novels, and never came away with a tenth of the nonsense this man is so grieved over.

My admiration for Hemingway began when I read the short story, “The Old Man at the Bridge.” Written during the hideous Spanish Civil War, he was a war correspondent and took a news report he had just submitted and turned it into a piece of literature.


36 posted on 04/05/2021 12:30:36 PM PDT by odawg
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To: GunsareOK
Maybe I’ll watch the movie instead. Was Frank Sinatra in that one?

NO!!! DO NOT watch the movie first! Much different than the novel and very much lacking its depth. Don't even think you can watch that movie and then think you understand the novel because you won't.

I did see the movie first and thought it was great then years later I read the novel and realized how pathetic the movie was in comparison.

37 posted on 04/05/2021 12:32:07 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Kamala the Border Czar Who Doesn't Actually Go to the Border)
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To: PJ-Comix

Thanks! I will check that out of the Library!


38 posted on 04/05/2021 12:33:12 PM PDT by Fury
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To: PJ-Comix

I thought it was good fiction and a compelling story. She foresaw the possibility of future energy shortages during an era of (i guess) $3 a barrel oil and how humanity is enslaved by collectivism. Were Hemmingway’s ideas this insightful? I have to say I don’t know because I never read him.


39 posted on 04/05/2021 12:33:21 PM PDT by GunsareOK (Why read fiction when you can watch it on TV?)
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To: Borges

>>Hemingway Foundation had to launch a GoFundMe campaign to keep the museum at his birthplace open.

No royalties from the books and adapted works to pay for this?

No stimulus in $2trillion in pork?


40 posted on 04/05/2021 12:33:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity. )
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