Posted on 04/04/2021 9:20:24 AM PDT by RandFan
@PeterSchiff
When our republic was formed voting was not a right. There is no "right to vote" in the Bill of Rights. Voting was a privilege restricted by age, poll taxes, literacy tests, property ownership, etc. The goal was an informed and responsible electorate, not maximum participation.
@PeterSchiff
The goal of an election is good government. It's better to have a good government elected by a minority, then a bad one elected by a majority. I'd rather not qualify to vote personally and have others elect a good government, then participate in the process of electing a bad one.
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Just posted this on another thread. It’s probably apropos here:
Our millions of good, law-abiding black Americans should do a lot more than “debunk” this idiocy.
They must by now realize that what this amounts to is the Democrat Party and these “woke” companies and organizations blatantly proclaiming that blacks are too stupid to secure an ID.
If this kind of slander were hurled at me, I’d be doing much more than “debunking.”
In fact, now that I think of it, this is ripe for a MASSIVE lawsuit.
Yes, stupid people can, and do, vote.
But, instead of taking away the vote from stupid people, perhaps we should look at educating the stupid people.
We could, say, have something called “Public Schools” where young people are taught the history of our republic and also educated to face the world with their mind and not their feelings.
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What was that again about taking away their votes?
Respectfully (and while I agree with your interpretations), we should make a distinction between having an interpretation that you disagree with and saying that someone “doesn’t want the Constitution upheld’ at all.
Like it or not, not every Constitution-loving patriot is going to agree with you about what “Natural Born Citizen” means.
I see none of this in the Constitution. poll taxes, literacy tests, property ownership, etc
Only since the Fifteenth Amendment have the words “right to vote” been in there. It’s in none of the Articles or (per this thread) the Bill of Rights.
If they want foreigners in the White House, they don’t love the Constitution.
In Europe, about hundred years ago, the voting went by the amount of taxes paid. If you paid more taxes, you had more vote. Kind of like the corporation vote, which is proportional to the amount of shares owned.
Kind of make sense.
People were more aware of spending. It also encouraged paying taxes.
Not sure who authored this but it has been around for a while. ***********************************************************
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage."
Yes, except that blacks and women thing is pretty tricky to leave unaddressed in such a tweet.
He could have tempered it for better effect.
The right to vote is EARNED, and it becomes both a duty and responsibility to exercise it properly. Sometimes, to decline to fulfill that right, or write in the name of a preferred candidate, is the most judicious application of that right.
It is assumed that the person who casts a vote is of good judgment, is literate, and has been well informed on the issues of the day. It is also incumbent that the person be a resident of the venue in which the vote is cast, and has been affirmed as a citizen of the realm. This is demonstrated by the presentation of a duly authorized form of identification at the time of casting the ballot, of which a driver’s license is acceptable everywhere. Other forms of state-issued identification, with name, address and photo, specifically for the purpose of ID, is an acceptable alternative.
Beyond that, the state legislatures of the several states, as stated in the constitution, have the ONLY authority to set the conditions of the eligibility and means by which the individual voter may cast the ballot. Once set, it may not be vacated by judicial review, or by executive order, or failure to enforce, until any changes are acted upon by the legislature.
I’d say we’re right on the cusp between the last two stages there, with the swing around coming hard and fast.
” Peter Schiff: When our republic was formed voting was not a right!:
True, but under the Tenth Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
What gives Congre$$ the right to try to establish national voter rights for all states?
The original wisdom of relying on the collective wisdom of having political representatives elected by informed people who have a real stake in the outcome is still valid. The problem is that we have now entered a time when the old elite plutocrats who have always distrusted the wisdom of crowds have now developed the technology to control the outcome of elections irrespective of the actual votes of real people.
Analysis of the publicly available 2020 vote totals by data experts has demonstrated beyond any doubt that the numbers were generated by algorithms that redistributed votes from a disfavored candidate to a favored candidate. The AI sophistication and universality of this algorithm aided by the electronic voting machine systems in widespread use make it beyond the ability of the legal system to prosecute or even comprehend.
We now are literally governed by big data algorithms that determine our political leaders, our viewing habits, our information sources, and our buying habits. Voting has become just another meaningless public ceremony with no real impact on the powers that control society. It is an anachronism that exists in law only and is no longer an actionable right.
He replied about restrictions:
@PeterSchiff
Not enough characters. Plus not all states had those qualification. But I omitted those as they would have no justification in modern America. So qualification based on race or gender would make no sense. But the other qualification would. So I chose to focus on those.
You said it with much more eloquence.
I said “stupid people” because I haven’t had my coffee yet.
Just wait until I’ve had my coffee.....eloquence.....eloquence.....eloquence.
@PeterSchiff
Yes, I was just pointing out that if the Founding Fathers thought voting was so important, they would have included it there. We have Freedom of speech without the Bill of Rights too, but they listed that.
Just dreaming here, but I think the best course of action would be to wipe out all voter rolls everywhere after making voter ID MANDATORY for voting, anyone interested in voting should be tested at a designated location, courthouse, schools, etc, be tested on civics, economics, basically high school level topics, if they pass the exam, then they get a voucher for a local DMV to print out their voter license. If they fail, they don’t vote.
I know it’s hard nosed, but it would solve a lot of problems very rapidly.
The courts decide who a ‘foreigner’ is, not you or me.
Absolutely!
From Tocqueville...
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
We’re way past that point.
Only people that make a net contribution to society should be allowed to vote.
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