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HIGHLY IMPORTANT NEWS: The Fort Sumpter Question Still in the Dark; IMPORTANT FROM CHARLESTON: THE FORTIFICATIONS ON MORRIS ISLAND (3/29/1861)
New York Times archives – Times Machine ^ | 3/29/1861

Posted on 03/29/2021 5:44:24 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

WASHINGTON, Thursday, March 28.

I am informed by one of the Commissioners of the Southern Confederacy that they have not received any dispatches indicating the policy of the present Administration. They are satisfied that Fort Sumpter will be, if it be not already, evacuated, and they await advices from the Provisional Government at Montgomery. They expect to know in a few days what course Mr. LINCOLN will pursue in relation to their new Confederacy, but they deny utterly the story current here to-night that they have received advices of Sumpter's evacuation.

SOUTH CAROLINA AND THE CONSTITUTION.

Advices received here from Charleston indicate that a violent debate is likely to take place in the confidential caucus of the Convention relative to the adoption of the new Constitution for the Confederate States, the objection being to the Slave-trade clause and the admission of non-Slaveholding States. It will probably be ratified, however, by a large majority.

NEWSPAPER MEN IN OFFICE.

Newspaper men had better keep away from Washington, for Secretary SEWARD seems to nab and exile every one of them who happens within his reach. Two more unfortunates went by the board to-day, viz.: J.S. PIKE, of the Tribune, who was nominated and confirmed Minister to the Hague, and JAMES E. HARVEY, of the same establishment, Minister to Portugal. In view of these appointments, nobody henceforth can doubt Mr. SEWARD's magnanimity, whatever else they may say of him. Of course, there are those ill-natured enough, to charge their success to a desire of the Administration to get rid of them.

A SATISFACTORY CHANGE.

CASSIUS M. CLAY is much gratified with his transfer from the Madrid to the St. Petersburgh Mission, as the latter, strange to say, was his choice.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
Free Republic University, Department of History presents U.S. History, 1855-1860: Seminar and Discussion Forum
Bleeding Kansas, Dred Scott, Lincoln-Douglas, Harper’s Ferry, the election of 1860, secession – all the events leading up to the Civil War, as seen through news reports of the time and later historical accounts

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1 posted on 03/29/2021 5:44:24 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 03/29/2021 5:45:21 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Highly Important News: The Fort Sumpter Question Still in the Dark – 2-3
Col. Lamon’s Visit to Sumpter – 3
Latest Reports from Pensacola – 3
The Southern Pacific Railroad – 3
News from the Plains – 3
Important from Charleston: The Fortifications on Morris Island – 3-4
3 posted on 03/29/2021 5:46:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Would you please insert “1861” at the very beginning of the headline so most of us can automatically know to not waste time and just skip over this thread?


4 posted on 03/29/2021 6:30:43 AM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

Hi.

“1861” is in the thread title.

But, I understand where you are coming from.

Difficult to determine the year given the current administration.

5.56mm


5 posted on 03/29/2021 7:46:16 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho ain't my president.)
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To: M Kehoe; odawg

If the 5th and 6th words are “Fort Sumpter” it should give a clue as to the period the post was originally published. Besides, I have been posting historical items in this format since 2008 and I don’t want to change now. Perhaps you could save valuable time by reading the headlines from end to beginning. That way, when you come to the one post I make each morning between 5 and 7 a.m. Pacific time you won’t be discomfited.


6 posted on 03/29/2021 8:35:51 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

“Perhaps you could save valuable time by reading the headlines from end to beginning.”

Asinine. I saw Ft. Sumpter this time but it reminded me of these postings that are not nearly as obvious as to time frame and I read them to the end, and ...1861. Waste of time. And, as the guy posted, sometimes the subject matter fits a bit close to today.


7 posted on 03/29/2021 9:39:39 AM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

If reading a title is waste of your time, perhaps you shouldn’t waste your time on FR at all; you are far too busy.


8 posted on 03/29/2021 10:04:24 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: CodeToad

“If reading a title is waste of your time, perhaps you shouldn’t waste your time on FR at all; you are far too busy.”

There are hundreds of titles on FR, I rapidly scan the ones that have words that catch my attention.


9 posted on 03/29/2021 10:29:53 AM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

I don’t have a problem with reading titles, but, then again, I learned to read decades ago and have lots of practice.


10 posted on 03/29/2021 10:32:08 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: CodeToad

Oh, my mistake. I wasn’t posting to you originally. Screw off, prick. It is not about ability to read, it is time.


11 posted on 03/29/2021 10:36:42 AM PDT by odawg
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Said like a southern gentleman... antebellum.

Pistols at 25 paces. Bring your Second.

LOL.

5.56mm


12 posted on 03/29/2021 10:53:35 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho ain't my president.)
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To: odawg; Homer_J_Simpson; M Kehoe
odawg: "Would you please insert “1861” at the very beginning of the headline so most of us can automatically know to not waste time and just skip over this thread?"

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

A lot of people know what they know and don't want to learn anything different.
Especially in today's cancel-culture it's much easier just to shut down what you don't like, than to deal with facts that don't match your ideology, isn't it?

13 posted on 03/30/2021 5:03:37 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; rustbucket
"The Southern Pacific Railroad – 3"

Curiously, this report comes from New Orleans.

Britanica says the Southern Pacific was first formed in 1861, but by the "Big Four" of the Central Pacific railroad, so having nothing to do with Louisiana or Confederacy.

Wikipedia says the Southern Pacific was first formed in 1865, in San Francisco, so again having nothing to do with the early Confederacy or New Orleans.

But Wiki does mention several predecessor railroads in the 1840s & 1850s in Texas, even though those seem to have no connection to the San Francisco Southern Pacific.

In years past our FRiend rustbucket has schooled me on Texas Civil War era railroads...

14 posted on 03/30/2021 5:17:52 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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To: BroJoeK

Your misapplication of a Shakespeare quote is a sufficient warning of the nonsense that follows.

“A lot of people know what they know and don’t want to learn anything different.”

As a Civil War buff, I would not learn anything different from reading those posts.

“Especially in today’s cancel-culture it’s much easier just to shut down what you don’t like, than to deal with facts that don’t match your ideology, isn’t it?”

In context, it is hard to address such stupidity.

You mean you think Civil War history is ideology? Civil War history does not belong to me. As the British say, you are too smart by half.


15 posted on 03/30/2021 5:57:48 AM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

Well, you wasted a lot of time with your stupid post.
I consider myself a civil war buff. I still find lots of information in the times and Harper’s Weekly that I was unaware of.
I guess I am not the expert you are.
I take it you have already read all the times from 1861.
Anyone can see these are historical posts by reading the headline of the poster, who has been doing this for years.


16 posted on 03/30/2021 6:27:46 AM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: GranTorino

“I guess I am not the expert you are.”

Probably not.


17 posted on 03/30/2021 6:56:19 AM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg
odawg: "You mean you think Civil War history is ideology?
Civil War history does not belong to me.
As the British say, you are too smart by half."

No, what I think is you're way too hostile, by half.
Why go out of your way to criticize a thread you won't read because... because... because you're a Civil War buff and already know everything there is to know about it?

I doubt that.

18 posted on 03/30/2021 6:22:25 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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To: BroJoeK

“Why go out of your way to criticize a thread you won’t read because... because... because you’re a Civil War buff and already know everything there is to know about it?”

I tell you what, you are seriously in need of a reading comprehension lesson. My complaint was waste of time. I said not a word about what I know about the Civil War. I quit being a Civil War buff some years ago. My initial irritation was that the headlines were a bit too close (as another poster pointed out) to what is going on now, and they would draw me in, and then I would read through it and see 1860. My hostility was because it was a bit too early in the day to be lectured for a charge that was not in my mind or motivations, as you still insist on doing.


19 posted on 03/31/2021 3:20:50 AM PDT by odawg
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odawg: "I tell you what, you are seriously in need of a reading comprehension lesson."

My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you.
I read that you are vastly more hostile than any reasonable person should be, and out of kindness I accept your explanation of "too early in the morning".

So have some coffee... and have a nice day!

20 posted on 03/31/2021 5:34:31 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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