Posted on 03/27/2021 2:52:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Europe has set a clear goal for full decarbonization by 2050, with renewables-based electricity set to become the dominant energy carrier, and that means fossil gas will have “only a marginal role” in the long run, EU climate chief Frans Timmermans said on Thursday (25 March).
By 2050, Europe’s energy system will be changed fundamentally, with ten times more solar and onshore wind power than today, said Timmermans, the European Commission’s executive vice-president in charge of the Green Deal.
And “at the end of that road, there will be no more space for coal, very little room for oil, and only a marginal role for fossil gas,” he said in a keynote speech at the annual conference of Eurogas, an industry trade association.
“So instead of waiting for the inevitable and face ever higher costs of transition, it’s better to adapt, prepare and adopt new sustainable business models,” he said, warning: “the longer you wait, the more expensive it becomes.” […]
“I want to be crystal clear: fossil fuels have no viable future,” he told participants at the Eurogas event. “And that also goes for fossil gas, in the longer run.”
“The future,” he continued, “is in carbon-free electricity and a decarbonized gas sector, which embraces hydrogen as an energy carrier and green hydrogen as the final destination.” …
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Reasonable government would still allow some fraction of energy production to come from what are called fossil fuels.
Decarbonize western energy so China can have cheap fuel.
It is a good thing that we have never gotten oil from fossils. It is created by the Earth in a natural process we do not fully understand.
Uh-oh, trouble in the Safe European Home?
Politics is always and only about power.
Politicians don’t care which direction things are going, just as long as they’re the ones holding the reins.
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I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:
You can’t power a modern technological civilization with the living standards we have come to expect on “renewables”, wind, solar, and hydro, and no use of carbon-based energy.
If someone making pronouncements like this isn’t being up front about this, and isn’t talking about the living standards issue, they are lying to you by omission.
The only exception is if they are also advocating for a massive crash program to develop and deploy mass quantities of nextgen nuclear reactors, probably involving thorium. Even then, there are real issues with transportation energy. And I don’t see many of these Green extremists so advocating.
Start pushing back on this immediately. This is another big government power play, first and foremost.
And further, hydrogen is something idiot policy makers / government power grabbers who don’t have any engineering knowledge advocate for. The issues with steel embrittlement and containment are at minimum very, very difficult and unsolved. It’s a very small molecule that likes to escape, and leak are bad, mmmkay? See the Hindenburg for what leaks can result in.
>>These people are non-engineer simpletons who don’t know which end of a hammer to pick up.
That’s a keeper. LOL!
But spot on, sadly.
“what’s the question?” needs to be asked over and over again.
What is the motivation for the headlong rush to make everything electric and ban carbon based fuels? Is it to MAYBE reduce global temperatures by 0.1 degrees 100 years from now? We should throw away our highly evolved, highly optimized and working energy infrastructure for a bunch of pie-in-the-sky ideas? The “green” proposals are really nothing more impractical dreams.
Anything the USA and EU do to “decarbonize” will be swamped many times over by China and India.
EU, what about things MADE FROM FOSSIL FUELS? Plastic for one, tennis rackets and basketballs for another and bicycle tires... Wax, too...
I have always told my “liberal” acquaintances if they get their way I’m going into the prefabricated mud hut business.
Never mind stuff for electric car batteries.
Liquid crude oil is predominantly composed of the diogenic products of marine single cell organisms such as algae and cyanobacteria with a much smaller amount from fresh water algae and diatoms. Under very special geological conditions terrestrial biomass such as peat bogs and swamp deposits can under go petrogenisis but it’s very rare. There is a whole field of geochemistry devoted just to the study of petrochemical geosystems. Effectively ZERO of any hydrocarbon is from an animal source the amounts of biomass was simply too small and deposited upon death in an environment that was not conducive to petrogenisis. Dinosaur Fossil fuel is a myth. I have a 300 page workbook from the last petrol geochemistry continuing education I had to take to keep my PG cert I’m a geochemist and a petroleum geologist by first master’s and third. You can devote a 20 year career to just type classing oils by the geochemical markers in them.
CO2 is a nutrient not a pollutant.
so oil is the earth’s renewable energy?
Please explain why nearly every oil has geochemical markers from biological life and also the C12/13 ratio that indicates contact with the biosphere. I’ll accept peer review research with at least two peer reviewers and at least one Journal publication in the last decade. You might want to read my prior post I’m a petroleum geologist and a PhD geochemist / geohydrologist. Please enlighten me to a proven abiotic oil source. EVERY oil I have examined geochemically has had biomarkers EVERY SINGLE ONE. I have drilled well over a thousand wells and typed classes at least double that much in a multidecade career in petroleum geosciences.
There are oceans of liquid hydrocarbons on the moons of Jupiter.
No oil is stored sunlight kept preserved by the heat and pressure of specific geological conditions. It takes over a ton of prehistoric biomass to make a single liter of liquid crude oil. Algae grew in salt water, died sank to the ocean floor where It was and for a large portion of the ocean still is O2 deficient which means the organic matter does not decay so it piles up by the thousands of meters thick over geologic time. The current deposition rates in the black Sea for example is 2mm per year over a million years which is a blip in geologic time you will deposit 2 kilometers of sediments that’s how you get “surface” organic matter 10000 meters under ground. The Gulf of Mexico is Jurassic in age it has had over 100 million years to accumulate sediments it’s little wonder there are 15000 meter thick sedimentary packages in the Gulf. Bury algae organics under 4 km of earth and the heat and pressure will enter the oil window and literally cook the polylipids in the algae to oil. You can replicate this at the surface a few companies have even tried to commercialize it. Take modern green algae or diatoms add in the same minerals you find in deep sea clays and put in a pressure vessel pump up the heat and pressure to what you would find at 4+ km and in a few days you have hydrocarbons nearly identical to fossil crude oils.
Yeah liquid ethane, methane and traces of propane all linear alkanes and all only liquid at the very low temperature of deep space. The “oceans” are not complex aphanitic or cyclic hydrocarbons such as crude oil. Which has well over 200 different hydrocarbons with ring, branches, and isomers. Methane can be synthesized from CO2 and H2 in the presence of Fe,Ni or Cu with pressure ethane and propane as well. The conditions in the outer solar system where it is cold enough to not lose the H2 that was present at the formation of the solar system along with the CO2 the natural form of carbon in the universe as it is fully oxidized and has the lowest Gibbs energy levels. Titan Saturn’s moon has liquid oceans of methane and it rains ethane here again from solar nebula H2 and CO2 from 5+ billion years ago when the sun and planets coalesced from the stellar nebula. Earth is too close to the sun to have held on to its initial H2 atmosphere all of that was stripped away via solar wind billions of years ago. H2 is too reactive to exist in the mantel or crust it would be reacted with any electron donor oxygen being it’s Gibbs low point , but sulfur, carbon, nitrogen all have electron affinity for hydrogen. There is a reason you cannot drill a well and find hydrogen gas it very VERY rare it takes reducing conditions underground and high temperature under HUGE pressures. Most of the earth hydrogen is bound in water that is itself bound to hydrated minerals in the mantel of the earth enough to fill the oceans hundreds of times over but it’s chemically bound for all eternity to solid rock well semisolid as the mantel flows.
oil is stored sunlight. i like that.
i will be using that from now on along with your references of algaec expressions...
thanks
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Thanks for the heads up.
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