Flubros and Flubras! 1 year anniversary (a place for Flubros and Flubras)

http://www.Freerepublic.com ^ | 18 March 2021 | Impimp

[2aProtectsTheRest]

Cancer and gunshot deaths are at or slightly above normal levels. Same for heart attacks. There were an additional 500,000 deaths beyond normal in 2020.

2.8 million in 2019. 3.3 million in 2020. Normal year-over-year increases are 0.3% - 0.7%. 2020 saw a 17.6% increase in deaths.

If suicides jumped by 20%, that would increase suicide deaths by <10,000. If drug overdoses jumped by 20%, that would increase drug overdose deaths by ~14,000. Neither of those is over 500,000.

[PGalt]

Stay healthy FRiends.

O2 = 100

[2aProtectsTheRest]

"Based on the PCR test you could also include Influenza A & B in with your results since the test is so F’d up."

RT-PCR testing cannot trigger on Influenza. The RT-PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 triggers on the specific parts of the genome that distinguish SARS-CoV-2 from all other viruses. If you said it might be confused with SARS-CoV-1 or MERS-CoV that might make some sense (it would still be wrong) because they're closely related and genetically similar viruses. But Influenza isn't even in the same phylum.

SARS-CoV-2 is as similar to Influenza - genetically and taxonomically - as humans are to snails.

[SanchoP]

Lies,dam’ lies and statistics for morons.

[2aProtectsTheRest]

Seasonal flu accounts for an average of 36,000 deaths per year. What killed the other 515,000?

[zzeeman]

One Year Anniversary bump....

Thanks for the pings and all that you do to keep this thread going every day, impimp...

[IrishBrigade]

‘I’ve posted the actual statistics multiple times.’

you’ve posted numbers from the very outfit that has a vested interest in presenting lethality in the worst possible light, so as to justify the insane medico-political response to it...

note I am not saying your numbers are not correct; I don’t know that, but I am saying there is significant reason to be skeptical...

[IrishBrigade]

‘The death of someone that would have died within a few months anyway, is not anywhere close to the death of a 17 year old for example.’

watch out, you’ll be catigated by someone claiming to care for ‘all’ people, not just ‘productive’ ones...happened to me recently, though the guy knew precisely what I meant, and chose to be jackass about it...

[Laslo Fripp]

+1

[haffast]

Event 201

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1187829299207954437

Rod Rosenstein's sister:

National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD)

Nancy Messonnier, MD

Nancy Messonnier, MD, is the Director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD) and is currently leading CDC’s efforts on COVID-19 vaccine. In late 2019, Dr. Messonnier directed NCIRD to activate a center-based response to an unknown respiratory disease in China that later transitioned to a full agency response to the COVID-19 pandemic. In the COVID-19 response, Dr. Messonnier is leading the effort to support the COVID-19 vaccine program in the areas of distribution, administration, implementation, safety, and access for hard-to-reach populations with the goal of ensuring that a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine is available to every American who wants one.

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https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/ncird.html

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January 15, 2020:

1. USA CHINA Phase I deal executed [China bad day]

2. Impeachment articles released by Pelosi _walked [delivered] to Senate [attack v POTUS?][coordinated/planned for a specific day?]

3. 1st C19 case lands @ Seattle-Tacoma Airport

https://qanon.pub/?q=tacoma

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Coronavirus was circulating in Italy as early as September 2019, scientists believe

Sean Morrison 14 hours ago

 

Covid-19 may have been circulating in Italy as early as September 2019, scientists in the country have claimed.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019-scientists-believe-b72701.html

 

COVID-19 may have been in Italy as early as September 2019: study

By Jesse O’Neill - November 15, 2020

Italian researchers now report that 12 percent of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 developed coronavirus antibodies long before Feb. 21, when the country’s first case was identified.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/15/covid-19-may-have-been-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019/

Biden points out he was warning about pandemic unpreparedness in October while Trump tweeted about iPhones

Marianne Dodson - May 28, 2020

Former Vice President Joe Biden has a humble brag he'd like to share.

In October 2019, months before the coronavirus outbreak began, Biden tweeted a warning to the United States, saying "We are not prepared for a pandemic." Biden then called out President Trump for rolling back measures the Obama administration took, likely referring to Trump's 2018 disbandment of the team directly responsible for handling a pandemic response.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-points-warning-pandemic-unpreparedness-162000812.html

Obama highlights Biden's tweet from a year ago warning Trump wasn't ready for pandemic

Brooke Seipel - 10/25/2020

 

The Post cited former national security adviser John Bolton's decision under Trump to disband a unit on global health security and biodefense as one reason the U.S. score on pandemic preparedness was not ideal. The global health team was created under Obama and Biden in response to the Ebola pandemic.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-highlights-biden-s-tweet-from-a-year-ago-warning-trump-wasn-t-ready-for-pandemic/ar-BB1anTWP

 

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Weird.  It's almost like they knew or something.

"ABC's This Week's George Stephanopoulos this morning interviewed Kate Bedingfield, Deputy Campaign Manager and Communications Director for Joe Biden."

Bedingfield said Joe Biden has NOT been tested for Covid 19 but that they were following "very strict protocals".

Let that sink in.

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3876923/posts?page=14#14

That was on a Sunday 8/23/2020, 12:00:00 AM

Biden is so touchy-feely, and then there's Hunter!

 

Then on that Monday lookie lookie............

Biden, Harris to get routine virus testing, a notable change

ALEXANDRA JAFFE - Associated Press • August 24, 2020

 

"In a notable change, Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his running mate, Kamala Harris, will now be regularly tested for the coronavirus as the race heats up, a campaign aide confirmed Monday.

“This announcement is another step demonstrating Joe Biden and Kamala Harris’ commitment to turn the page on Trump’s catastrophic mismanagement during the worst public health crisis in 100 years,” said Biden spokesperson Andrew Bates.

Bates declined to comment Monday when asked if Biden had been tested yet, though deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield said Sunday that he hadn't been."

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https://news.yahoo.com/biden-harris-routine-virus-testing-213408766.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_15

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3877790/posts?page=18#18

Selective concern.  It's a thing.

 

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3907142/posts?page=49#49

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You'd think they would have taken better care to protect the old, feeble geriatric leader of the free world against catching Kovid:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffnt&q=biden+family+inaugural+photos&iax=images&ia=images

 

 

[PGalt]

BUMP

[Wonder Warthog]

"Spanish flu killed far more, with those killed being younger, and we didn’t shut down over it."

I'm well aware of the Spanish flu, since it killed my grandfather, and left my mother an orphan as a four-year old, to be raised by my g.g. grandmother.

And yes, the Spanish flu was worse, but it is, like the WuFlu, a huge outlier. Neither are "just the flu".

[haffast]

Everywhere I go, gas station, grocery store, etc, they offer me the flu shot so I’d been wondering if I should get it with efficacy at best 50%, so I was glad to hear this year flu is almost none existent. Besides, the wife got the flu shot and I didn’t in the 2019 season and by Jan ‘20 we both caught the flu. She was so mad!

https://walgreens.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=40d0763cd3cc42428b26f85202108469#map

[Wonder Warthog]

"This year, under the same circumstances, his death would be attributed to C19, even without being tested for it. There were/are strong incentives for attributing deaths to C19."

Bullsh*t.

[Wonder Warthog]

"..you’ve posted numbers from the very outfit that has a vested interest in presenting lethality in the worst possible light, so as to justify the insane medico-political response to it...

Ludicrous logic. Before the WuFlu, there was no driving force to do any such thing.

[maddog55]

How did this occur then:

Dr. Derick Knauss on the identity of the virus and on the failures of the PCR test are corroborated by numerous scientific studies including the WHO.

I have a PhD in virology and immunology. I’m a clinical lab scientist and have tested 1500 “supposed” positive Covid 19 samples collected here in S. California.

When my lab team and I did the testing through Koch’s postulates and observation under a SEM (scanning electron microscope), we found NO Covid in any of the 1500 samples.

What we found was that all of the 1500 samples were mostly Influenza A and some were influenza B, but not a single case of Covid, and we did not use the B.S. PCR test.

We then sent the remainder of the samples to Stanford, Cornell, and a few of the University of California labs and they found the same results as we did, NO COVID. They found influenza A and B. All of us then spoke to the CDC and asked for viable samples of COVID, which CDC said they could not provide as they did not have any samples.
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While SARS-CoV-2 –namely the the virus which is said to cause COVID-19 (categorized as a disease), was isolated in a laboratory test in January 2020, the RT-PCR test does not identify/ detect the virus. What it detects are fragments of viri. According to renowned Swiss immunologist Dr B. Stadler

So if we do a PCR corona test on an immune person, it is not a virus that is detected, but a small shattered part of the viral genome. The test comes back positive for as long as there are tiny shattered parts of the virus left. Even if the infectious viri are long dead, a corona test can come back positive, because the PCR method multiplies even a tiny fraction of the viral genetic material enough [to be detected].

The Question is Positive for What?? The PCR test does not detect the identity of the virus, According to Dr. Pascal Sacré,

these tests detect viral particles, genetic sequences, not the whole virus.

In an attempt to quantify the viral load, these sequences are then amplified several times through numerous complex steps that are subject to errors, sterility errors and contamination.

Positive RT-PCR is not synonymous with COVID-19 disease! PCR specialists make it clear that a test must always be compared with the clinical record of the patient being tested, with the patient’s state of health to confirm its value [reliability]

[IrishBrigade]

‘Before the WuFlu, there was no driving force to do any such thing.’

well, have you not just buttressed my point...? speciically that the WuFlu is being treated differently...?

[2aProtectsTheRest]

As for the first part, I can’t find any “Dr. Derick Knauss” anywhere, and the only reference to “Dr. Dereck Knauss” I can find is on conspiracy theory websites. No professional presence anywhere on the Internet. No personal presence. No social media. Far as I can tell, this person doesn’t even exist. If we can clear that part up, I’d be happy to look more into those claims, but so far it doesn’t even look like the claims are from a real person.

As for the second part, that’s exactly what I said: the RT-PCR test looks for the specific sequences of genetic code only ever found in SARS-CoV-2. It’s literally triggering on the genetic sequences that differentiate SARS-CoV-2 from all other viruses. Which is precisely why it can’t be triggered by other viruses, even if they’re similar (and Influenza is not similar).

And the RT-PCR test also does not test for viral load. That isn’t its purpose. No one has ever claimed otherwise. It tests for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 at the point of collection (typically the nasal cavity, sometimes the throat, and if you’re in China, your backside).

[Codeflier]

Too late. I have been accused of that by people for years.

A few months ago I put the question to someone - “Which is more important, the life of a 4 year old or the life of someone 88 years old with health conditions that actuarial data shows has about 3 - 6 months to live?”

Answer: All lives are of equal importance.

My response: You are insane.

[ColoCdn]

Of course.
It’s always a conspiracy theory.
And none of those 94% of CDC-reported covid deaths had anything to do with the 2.3 (on average) comorbidities that were facts.
It’s just a conspiracy theory.

Wait, maybe the idea that it’s a conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory.

And maybe you were for Astra-Zeneca before you were against Astra-Zeneca.

Wow, it’s easy to play this game.