Posted on 03/16/2021 5:30:13 PM PDT by nickcarraway
New Jersey is a wonderfully diverse place. Though a relatively small state, it has the highest population density in the U.S. It's also brimming with an immense amount of Italian-American residents.
I'm half-Italian, but I didn't grow up speaking a lick of the mellifluous tongue. From pizza and pasta to "The Sopranos," I was raised in a place where the notion of Italy is celebrated. However, it took me some time to note that this was not Italian culture, per se, but a slightly different "sect" altogether — an Italian-American history and culture that's rich in and of itself.
It wasn't until culinary school that I began to embrace all that the Italian-American experience has to offer, which is so much more than chicken parm. From bolognese and gnocchi to caponata and fennel, the breadth of Italian-American cuisine began to come into full view, and I've been eager to learn and consume as much as possible about the storied culture's food and history ever since. (It also didn't hurt that I have a killer Italian accent.)
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Where’s the pasta fazhool?
Mah-dohn a me
Italingish is worse than Spanglish. I am half Italian and I say “calamari” and “cappicola.” Never cared for low class trashy culture promoted by Hollywood.
Very funny! Lorraine Bracco’s Brooklyn accent is not very athentic, though, probably because her mother was French, and also that she moved to Europe at 20 and learned to speak real Italian and French.
Bwahaha!
Terrific thread; thanks for the ping! Even Philadelphia has dozens of dialects, one for each ethnic neighborhood. A study from UPenn once found over 30 dialects in Philly.
My uncle (my grandfather, his dad, was an Italian immigrant) was down in Savanna Georgia to dine at a friend’s new Italian restaurant. He ordered a plate of pasta and asked the waitress if he could have it “al dente”
The girl put her hand on her hip and said “Al who???”
She must live near New York City. South Jersey is little towns, farms and forests, with great beaches the farther south you go. And the Appalachian Trail runs along the northwestern part of NJ—beautiful country.
Wonder how many people can pronounce Sfogliatella. I know how the Sicilians say it.
There’s a tiny Sicilian place on Sullivan Street, the street where the St. Anthony Feast used to be, and what I pronounced Svogliadell, the owner pronounced the exactly correct way.
My mother was able to speak good Italian. She took it in high school because she was already second generation and wanted to learn the right way.
That is true.....you might find the rare gem but it’s the exception
Some places are better hunting.....south Florida
Or New Orleans
Places Italians settled down here
Closest real Italian to the western south is The Hill in St Louis....not too shabby...you’d be happy
I know how to say Ferrara’s on Grand st
My wife’s favorite Italian pastry
“Shfo tella “
I have no clue how to spell it
"Fazhool" is Italglish for fagioli (fa gee OH lee), the Italian word for beans. Typically, pasta and beans is made with white beans like cannellini; and here's a dish of pasta è fagioli made with ditalini pasta:
When it comes to anything Italian, I prefer cooking at home, but the Italian restos I go back to again and again here in the US are as follows:
Robertos (Bronx, NY), Piccolo Venezia (Astoria, NY), Al di La (Park Slope, Brooklyn, NY), Arturo’s (Boca Raton, FL aka Long Island South).
I live in NJ now, and most places I have been to were overpriced and overrated. In other words, I cook at home and go out only for Portuguese/Greek/Middle Eastern/Cuban/Indian/Chinese/Seafood/“American.”
Back in the 60s my parents took us to Canada. We stopped in a remote part of Nova Scotia at a restaurant run by Italian-born Canadians, and the teenage Canadian-born daughter was our waitress. Dad ordered spaghetti and meatballs, and I kid you not, she asked him, "Do you want meatballs with your spaghetti and meatballs?"
True eyeties say neither (“salsa” is the word used for most sauces in standard Italian, local dialects have a ton of other terms, including “ragu”). Never took time to find out why Italian Americans use the English word “gravy.”
Chicago Italians are mostly Sicilian or from Tuscany. There is a “Little Tuscany” on Oakley Street on the west side.
My skin crawls when I hear tomato sauce referred to as gravy. And I’m from NJ.
Sfol ya TEL la; or, in Seegeelyan, sfoi ya DELL.
yep sounds about right
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