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Savannah physicians compare Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine coming to Georgia to Pfizer, Moderna
Savannah Now ^ | Mary Landers

Posted on 03/07/2021 9:25:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind

With the emergency use approval of the Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine last week, Georgians will soon see this third vaccine become available here.

“The Georgia Department of Public Health expects that approximately 83,000 doses will be made available in the first week, and our goal is to get those vaccines administered as quickly as possible," Gov. Brian Kemp said in a prepared statement.

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine, produced by its vaccine division, Janssen Pharmaceuticals, is one dose and requires only normal refrigeration. Those are big advantages for getting lots of people vaccinated quickly.

But the Johnson & Johnson vaccine's overall efficacy in preventing symptomatic coronavirus infections is pegged at 66% compared to 94% and 95% efficacy in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines respectively after the second dose of each.

Some vaccine seekers may prefer the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines because of these greater stated efficacies. But three Savannah area physicians say those numbers don't tell the whole story.

Dr. Julia Mikell, vice president of medical affairs at St. Joseph's/Candler, said she understands the impulse, but vaccine recipients should look at the big picture.

"I do think that the whole point is getting as many people as we can vaccinated, and this is a way to make that happen," she said. "And you may say 'well, I want somebody else to do that. And I want the deluxe," but in fact this is going to keep you out of trouble."

By "trouble," Mikell is talking about severe illness or death. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine shines in preventing these bad outcomes, with 100% efficacy in preventing both.

"In the vaccine arm of the Johnson & Johnson study, there were no hospitalizations, and no deaths," Mikell said. "And it's one shot.

(Excerpt) Read more at savannahnow.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: confusing; covid19; johnsonjohnson; pfizer; sideeffects; vaccine
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1 posted on 03/07/2021 9:25:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Who cares???
Why would any rational person take a 100% unnecessary Jabcrap for a 100% treatable array of symptoms??? People are dying unnecessarily due to crap care or no care to drive up Bullcrap Covid death count.
False Flag Fauci will be riding high on Monday announcing that 1/2 million deaths are now attributed to Covid. After a whole year of driving the Fearmongering, less than 10% have submitted to both Doses. Do your part & get that Jab!! Demonize anyone who declines. What Madness that the Psychos are running this shitshow and we politely discuss case counts and which poison to take.


2 posted on 03/07/2021 9:44:33 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: SeekAndFind

The level of math illiteracy in this board is bloody shameful.

Contrary to what the flubros and mouth breathers keep spouting about a 99+ percent survival rate they are are flat out wrong and lying at best. This is from the world’s foremost trusted authority on endemic diseases the USA has a CFR for ALL ages if 1.8% and that number is in the high 20% for the 80+ cohort still down from 30+%

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

So for the mouth breathers this is how the math works.

1.8% death rate with a 94% effective vaccine is 0.108% when compounded. But all three of the vaccines have shown in peer review blind study a 100% effective rate against death from symptomatic covid19. The 94% effective rate is for being sick with symptoms at all with the Pfizer and Moderna. Including JnJ they all three succeeded in making death not a factor once fully immunized. Read that again all three approved vaccines have a 100% effective reduction in death rate. So from 1.8% and 20+% in high risk elderly to ZERO it does not get better than that. Anti vaxers can choose not to take it and if they die from covid that’s Darwin at work removing their defective genes from the species. I have always been a fan of the Darwin Awards.


3 posted on 03/07/2021 10:20:24 PM PST by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: JD_UTDallas

It is nice to see someone else who can do math. Prepare to get called every name in the book by the flat earthers


4 posted on 03/07/2021 10:38:19 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: JD_UTDallas

Removing their defective genes from the species...That is if they have not already produced children. Since most of the deaths are from the ultra old, it is responsible to assume that those who died were already not participating in future growing of babies.


5 posted on 03/07/2021 10:39:10 PM PST by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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To: Sioux-san

Covid is not the deadliest disease but it sure came along in an era of great wimpiness and gullibility.


6 posted on 03/07/2021 10:40:08 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Trumpet 1

Because ... you know ... if you don’t have the ability to procreate who cares if you get sick and die.


7 posted on 03/07/2021 10:44:14 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bookmark.


8 posted on 03/07/2021 10:50:09 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: gas_dr

Most of the people in the medical industry care very much about the elderly. Many of the nursing homes are very protective of their clients. The adult children and the grandchildren also care about their ancestors.


9 posted on 03/07/2021 10:52:52 PM PST by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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To: Trumpet 1

You are right sadly it’s killing the boomers and the last of the greatest generation. Not doing society a solid and taking out the millennals and the even worse genZ. All those spring break morons they should be the ones choking to death not their poor parents or grandparents when they come back begging for more college play money. I view the vaccine as an IQ test read the data and choose wisely but remember the chicoms cooked this bug and certainly will cook up another.


10 posted on 03/07/2021 11:18:03 PM PST by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: Sioux-san

You are mostly correct - but the reason some of us care about the J&J vax is it uses “old technology” instead of messing with your RNA and that technology has been tested enough so we know bad long-term side effects are not likely to be an issue.

Especially good news for those in older age groups or with comorbidities that might put them at special risk if they catch the bug - with a, so far, 100% prevention of super-serious complications or death, it can be a game changer - and thwart those wanting to mess with our RNA.


11 posted on 03/08/2021 4:22:27 AM PST by trebb (Fight like your life and future depends on it - because they do.)
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To: SeekAndFind
SeekAndFind :" But the Johnson & Johnson vaccine's overall efficacy in preventing symptomatic coronavirus infections is pegged at 66%
compared to 94% and 95% efficacy in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines respectively after the second dose of each."

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine, while providing less protection of contracting covid,
is also reportedly minimizing and ameliorating the effects if someone actually contracts the virus.

12 posted on 03/08/2021 7:22:39 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: JD_UTDallas
The level of math illiteracy in this board is bloody shameful.

Right, so if a vaccine is actually killing people it can't be 100% effective. If just one person died because of the vaccine, it can't be 100% effective. You agree with that math right?

Vaccines are not without side effects. So, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) was created in 1990 to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. It is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA):
https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html
Based on data supplied to VAERS, this site is tracking adverse reactions to the COVID vaccines, including deaths:
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
According to the U.K. data, 1 in every 333 people has an adverse reaction to the vaccines, which include death and blindness:
https://principia-scientific.com/uk-government-releases-shocking-report-on-covid-vaccine-side-effects/

Since vaccines can have side effects, the science of vaccines is balancing the benefit vs. the risk. With treatment, Covid has a near 100% survival rate.

Dr. Simone Gold of the American Frontline Doctors (AFLD) has addresses this in some detail here:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/frontline-doctors-experimental-vaccines-not-safer-than-covid-19
Using the CDC’s data, she notes the COVID fatality rate (IFR) as follows: • 0-19 years old: 0.00003 (99.997 percent survival rate) • 20-49 years old: 0.0002 (99.98 percent survival rate) • 50-69 years old: 0.005 (99.5 percent survival rate) • 70+ years old: 0.054 (94.6 percent survival rate) So, rationally, the vaccine should be no more dangerous than the virus. Yet, we don’t know what the long term consequences are for the vaccine. If a young person has a 99.997 percent survival rate for COVID IF infected, why should that person risk blindness, sterility, or any other unknown consequence? These doctors have concluded that risk is unethical, and only advise those over 70 to take the vaccine. Additionally, those numbers don’t include treatment with hydrocholorquine (HCQ) or ivermectin, two cheap well known drugs used for effective COVID treatment in “developing” nations like India, but not here.

So then, what is the risk from taking the vaccine? According to the Israeli Health Ministry the Pfizer vax 'killed “about 40 times more (elderly) people than the disease itself would have killed” during a recent five-week vaccination period. Among the younger class, these numbers are compounded to death rates at 260 times what the COVID-19 virus would have claimed in the given time frame.'
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers
This blogger found similar numbers in the U.K. data: https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/virusecrecy-shock-pfizer-product-28-more-lethal-than-astrazenecas/
India blocked the Pfizer vaccine on safety concerns. From what I read in the U.K. data, elderly people actually have an increased risk of contracting Covid in the nine days following being first vaccinated. That may explain some of the deaths. Furthermore, since these vaccines are experimental, we have no idea what the long term affects of the virus are. One doctor has concerns that it could cause young women to become sterile do to the protein involved. It's a personal choice to become a human guinea pig for Big Pharma, but people should understand there are serious risks involved in taking these vaccines. The over inflation of Covid deaths, lack of transparency, and censorship by Big Tech and the corporate media of respected medical professionals with dissenting opinions should give everyone pause.
13 posted on 03/08/2021 7:33:03 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: trebb

“Old Technology” - yes, let’s hear it for the old ways that degrade the immune system in a more traditional manner. Supposedly the Old Technology actually isolated and used the culprit virus, but not so with any of these new Jabs, including J&J - this is according to the FDA’s Fact Sheet information. This was supposed to be about a NEW killer pneumonia that strikes down otherwise healthy people, not a survivable/treatable “flu” or bad cold.

FDA FAct Sheets for the Jabs approved for Emergency Use — only good for as long as there is a declared State of Emergency, which has been in effect since Jan.2020.

https://www.fda.gov/media/146305/download

https://www.fda.gov/media/144638/download

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

Let’s check out Johnson & JOhnson’s pristine history for serving Mankind:
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/johnson-and-johnson-has-paid-billions-in-criminal-settlements-and-never-produced-a-vaccine-before-why-would-we-trust-them-for-a-new-experimental-covid-vaccine/

To give any of these Jabs to medically frail people on multiple rx’s defies Logic and is adding to the Covid Death Count daily de facto. By the CDC’s own reporting, only 6% of the 1/2 million so-called Covid-related deaths had no documented co-morbidities. The other 94% of the deaths had 2-3+ serious co-morbidities — What actually is contributing to the “Extra Deaths” for 2020? How many were “Prematurely DNR’d”?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

The 6% with no documented co-morbidities (30,000 for the whole country) could have been killed on the ventilator and would have survived with a less invasive treatment protocol. Also, how many of these 30,000 were denied care to keep those hospital beds open and ready for the Covid Onslaught (pneumonia requiring ICU/Vent treatment protocol) — never happened for most hospitals, but Medicare still pays Big Bucks for Covid dx, so those incentives are still there to perpetuate the Ruse. Healing treatments are still denied by the Govt. and even criminalized. Why would that be? Those “Covid CAses” sweeping the country and world are documented by what? You get counted with a positive PCR test developed without the benefit of the “new virus isolate” and run at 40+ amplifications per FDA guidelines —rendering the results worthless by Fauci’s own words.

There are no approved vaccines for Covid19. You can’t be forced to take an experimental “Vaxx”, especially if there are treatment alternatives. Railroading old and frail people in nursing homes to take the Jab so they can have visitors again, that’s horrific...all to find out you’ve been lied to again, and still no visitors allowed. Same goes for working people to be intimidated to take the Jab to keep their jobs. Or proof of Jab to conduct business and travel.

Let’s check out Johnson & JOhnson’s pristine history for serving Mankind:
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/johnson-and-johnson-has-paid-billions-in-criminal-settlements-and-never-produced-a-vaccine-before-why-would-we-trust-them-for-a-new-experimental-covid-vaccine/
Johnson & Johnson wants to give their Jab to newborn babies before they leave the hospital. These criminals can get away with this because too many are still thinking they might avoid getting sick or dying from something anything. Grow the hell up- People get sick for a host of reasons. It’s up to you to stay healthy and boost your own immune system. Stop looking for Magic Bullets from Big Pharma and demanding that everyone get on board or else. Sounds a lot like Nazi Germany or Stalin Russia or Mao China...

The Goalpost keeps moving, doesn’t it. That’s how it goes with these Planned Scamdemics which Fauci et.al., have presided over for too many decades. FAuci, the highest paid bureaucrat in our Govt.not to mention all his patents and investments off human misery. Yeah, just a harmless little fauciball who only wants the best for Humanity. By your fruits you shall be known — ALL I SEE IS ROT when it comes to the Fruits of the past year. How long will you tolerate this highly orchestrated Chaos?


14 posted on 03/08/2021 11:42:57 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: JD_UTDallas
all three of the vaccines have shown in peer review blind study a 100% effective rate against death from symptomatic covid19.

This is the first time that I have read this. If this is true, it should be broadcast far more widely than it has been so far.

15 posted on 03/08/2021 11:56:09 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: Dr. Franklin

CDC defines SARS/Covid19 Cases in a very generous, liberal and ever expanding manner, far reaching beyond the initial warning that this is a new bat virus from nature, causing a lethal pneumonia, dropping otherwise healthy people in the streets of Wuhan. No questions asked about potential other causes of death and sudden illness in Wuhan or anywhere else for that matter. The origin of new virus was not speculation from Fauci and WHO cuz Neil Ferguson (funded by Bill & Mel) is such a trusted source. Yes- it was from someone eating a bat shishkabob from a wet market in Wuhan. “It’s been isolated back in January” as documented in the PCR performance test - yet that performance analysis documents that “no virus isolate available” so best guess on the rna sequencing based on 2003 SARS...

Now no mention is made of the Wuhan wet markets and bat shishkabobs. WHO website states SARS/Covid19 is of “unknown etiology” here in the 11th hour of Stage 1 World Reset. CDC also scrubbed their earlier proclamation of etiology, as did the Rockefeller Foundation that actively ramped up int’l fearmongering. Ask no questions - accept what you are told - everything will be all right. We are All In This Together — No thanks!

How do you play a numbers game when the Game is Fixed in the favor of the Criminal Dealers who lie about everything? How do you end up on the Covid Case Count or counted as a Covid death (presumption is still good enough) — The Case definition does not require you to actually be sick enough to go to the hospital or even see the doctor. Your symptoms could be anything from sore throat and slight fever to diarrhea and a headache. You might be pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic but still have the evil Covid Cootie lurking in your nasal passages to strike at a later date...or not... doesn’t matter to the CDC CAse Count fearmongering. Right out of their old HIV/AIDS playbook to be resurrected through out the decades of scamdemics to count everybody under the sun as sick and in need of medical attention.

https://wwwn.cdc.gov/nndss/conditions/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/case-definition/2020/08/05/


16 posted on 03/08/2021 12:23:42 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: gas_dr

“It is nice to see someone else who can do math. Prepare to get called every name in the book by the flat earthers”

In another thread, JD endorsed force vaccination. Nice set of allies you have around here.


17 posted on 03/08/2021 1:49:05 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: JD_UTDallas
Contrary to what the flubros and mouth breathers keep spouting about a 99+ percent survival rate they are are flat out wrong and lying at best.

While I agree with your general point if you consider IFR instead of CFR the 99+% is probably accurate.

18 posted on 03/08/2021 2:03:11 PM PST by semimojo
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To: Dr. Franklin
According to the Israeli Health Ministry the Pfizer vax 'killed “about 40 times more (elderly) people than the disease itself would have killed” during a recent five-week vaccination period.

That's wildly, blatantly false and it isn't what the idiotic LifeSite News article you linked to says.

The "researchers" in that article said they relied on data from the Health Ministry, reports from a news service and the VAERS database.

The last I say the Health Ministry said:

"The Health Ministry findings also follow results nine days ago by the Maccabi HMO, which reported zero deaths among 523,000 people a week or more after their second vaccination shot." and

"The vaccine has not yet been approved for children under 16, although Israel has vaccinated dozens who suffer specific COVID-19 risk factors. No serious side effects were reported."

The authors may have been stupid or dishonest enough to think that's what the VAERS database tracks but it isn't. The database includes people who had an event after getting the vaccine, but says nothing about whether the event was in any way related to the vaccination.

Just because someone died sometime after getting the shot doesn't mean they died from the shot.

Why post crap like this?

19 posted on 03/08/2021 2:21:40 PM PST by semimojo
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To: SecAmndmt

I don’t believe I was talking to you
Please stop bothering me.


20 posted on 03/08/2021 2:35:24 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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