Posted on 02/20/2021 8:55:43 AM PST by patriot torch
What do fallen angels and stonehenge have in common?
Perhaps many are not aware but approx. 1,000 years prior to the flood, fallen angels bred with women and created a breed of giants. (See chapter 6 of Genesis)
The breed that was created is known as Nephilim.
It is presented as a possibility that fallen angels & Nephilim were involved in the creation of these designs in times past.
Many have heard of the famous Stonehenge in England, but not many are aware that there is a similar creation here in the U.S. in New Hampshire.
What is really interesting is the links made between various Biblical locations as well as various secular creations such as Stonehenge.
The video is less than 30 minutes and it may surprise you what is presented.
Amen to #68
Gen 6 says they did! Jesus said they didn't reproduce in Heaven because God creates what is in Heaven. He didn't say they couldn't reproduce. There is plenty of conversation about Giants in Scripture, The Sons of Anach, Goliath and his 4 brothers. Og, the King of Bashan. Nimrod, after the Flood, Gen 11 (Septuagint). Amos 2:9. There is plenty more of them. The Book of Enoch and the Book of Jasher says they did. Jude tells us they did not keep their proper domain but left their abode. We are described as a tent, a house, a Tabernacle, a Temple, and other things. Jesus told us we would be given a mansion in Heaven. We don't need a place to sleep in Heaven where there is no darkness and night, but we will need a body that doesn't die, get sick, and can face God face to face. The angels left their angelic bodies to inhabit a carnal body and are doomed to hell for it.
There were plenty of Giants and God wanted the Jews to kill all of them.
Thanks for the Scriptures.
“The angels left their angelic bodies to inhabit a carnal body and are doomed to hell for it.”
That was pretty much my take.
No, it does not.
You assume that Sons of God means angels.
You forget that Adam was also called Son of God. Luke 3:38.
There is plenty of conversation about Giants in Scripture,
And nowhere does it say they were the offspring of Angels.
The Book of Enoch and the Book of Jasher says...
And neither of those are the Bible. You might as well invoke Marvel Comics.
The idea of demi-gods is a pagan one and is not found in the Bible.
There were plenty of Giants and God wanted the Jews to kill all of them
Also not in scripture.
No one else can be called a Son of God. In Job, we have the same term "Sons of God" and it is plain that these are angels. You don't know Adam was NOT an angel of God before he sinned. The Hebrew word for "light" is ore. The Hebrew word for "skin" is ore also. Adam was a creature of light before he sinned. Jesus was clothed in skin until He was seen on the Mt. of Transfiguration as a creature of light. Jesus is known as the "Second Adam".
The books of Enoch and Jasher were in the Cannon when Jesus was walking on earth. Enoch is still in the far eastern scriptures. Jude, the brother of Jesus, mentioned the book of Enoch in Jude 1:14. The founders of the church were familiar with Enoch and Jasher and believed what it said. Jasher was mentioned twice in Scripture.
Jos 10:12 Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel: "Sun, stand still over Gibeon; And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon."
Jos 10:13 So the sun stood still, And the moon stopped, Till the people had revenge Upon their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.
Jos 10:14 And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord heeded the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.
So what you are saying is God didn't stop the sun in the sky so Joshua could defeat the Amorite giants? The Amorites were giants.(Amos 2:9) Just look at all the scripture you are declaring a lie if fallen angels didn't mate with human women and produce monsters. It's too much to sweep under the rug.
2Sa 1:17 Then David lamented with this lamentation over Saul and over Jonathan his son,
2Sa 1:18 and he told them to teach the children of Judah the Song of the Bow; indeed it is written in the Book of Jasher:
King David declared that the story in Jasher about Saul's death would be taught to the generations.
Don't forget that the Cannon of Scripture was built by men. Since then books have been added and left out. Maccabees has been taken out just since the 1800's. Tobit, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom, and others are in some and out of others.
Read Joshua and see that God wanted Israel to kill everything that breathed in Jericho. When you read scripture that says "utterly destroy", that means you kill them, then stack them in a pile and set fire to them, and then pile rocks on top of the ashes.
Jos 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.
The reason God Flooded the earth was to kill the giants born after Gen 6:1. They were evil. They were demonic. They came from fallen angels. It's all plainly described in Scripture in detail.
If you are going to call yourself a believer, you need to believe Scripture. So many Christians say they believe, but it took millions of years for the earth to be completed, the sun really didn't stop in the sky, and donkeys don't talk but somehow they say they believe a dead man rose from the grave. Since I've been born again I believe every jot and tittle and even the punctuation placing has meaning. It's dangerous to try to pooh pooh the Word of God and make up what you think it says. It's eye opening to actually study the Hebrew and Greek words to see where the translators have mistranslated the King James Bible. One mistranslation that makes a difference in Gen 4:26.
Gen 4:26 And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord.
Men calling on the name of the Lord sounds like a good thing, but the word used for "began" actually means Defiled or Profaned. So the meaning is changed to "Men began to profane or defile the name of the Lord." There is a whole denomination of people that believe that the "Sons of God" are Sons of Seth because of this mistranslation.
All of us.
Psalm 139: 13-18
You don't know Adam was NOT an angel of God before he sinned.
Yeah, I do.
Genesis 1:27
The books of Enoch and Jasher were in the Cannon when Jesus was walking on earth
Well... no.
At least not the ones you are reading.
The currently called Book of Enoch is not even Jewish at all but Ethiopian.
The reason God Flooded the earth was to kill the giants born after Gen 6:1. They were evil. They were demonic. They came from fallen angels. It's all plainly described in Scripture in detail.
Nonsense.
God sent the flood because the earth was filled with violence. humans are quite evil on their own. No need to dream up some sort of demi-god to explain people being murderous.
Besides according to you God totally failed.
If you are going to call yourself a believer, you need to believe Scripture.
Yes, you do.
Interesting. In my Concordance (The Eerdman’s Bible Commentary. “One of the best conservative evangelical....” from 1953 (rev. 1970):
They describe the “sons of god” in Genesis as princes of kings that worshipped various deities and the kings took on those deities names.
However, the same concordance says the “sons of god” described in Job are the angels, including Satan.
For Jude 6:7 the commentary talks about the angels behaving in a way inconsistent with their calling. But also refers back to Genesis 6:1, and that it was the angels sin that led them to try to settle on earth.
They also mention that Jude had knowledge of the apocryphal books that told the story of the angels and humans more “elaborately”.
Of course we can’t blame the flood or sin just on the fallen angels. After Noah was on dry ground:
GN 8:20-21: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though a every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
Note also that God doesn’t say anything about fallen angels here either? (No need to mention them as they are all bound up??? Or - they weren’t the issue?)
The key to understanding this puzzle is real simple. Yes, the translation of Job into English is correct. The Sons of God, anywhere mentioned, are spiritual entities, not ones made of DNA. But that does not include Satan or disobedient angels fallen with him.
That is the core of the correct interpretation of them as described in Job and elsewhere in the Bible. Sons of God are those beings who through utter complete irreversible trust in The God place all their trust in Him and His Anointed One, and from this position of faith are given the power to overcome Sin as a master and obey His commandments. In life through God's foresight, receive the title of the condition and place of residence planned for their spirit after physical death.
The OT is full of such saints, starting with Adam and Eve and Abel, who was murdered by his evil-minded brother Cain. This preference was conferred on the godly descendants of Seth, who became the human "Sons of God," saved by faith, to whom God progressively revealed Himself and His plan of saving them from perdition. This progressive special revelation was provided to humans both through unfallen obedient angel messengers and through God's chosen prophets who were guided by the Holy Spirit.
Jehovah Elohim continued this plan of redemption through faith in Him and His word up to and through Jesus' appointment with substitutionary death at Calvary.
Now you know who the Sons of God were as recorded in the pre-Crucifixion division of time. But going back, who then were the sons and daughters of men? Well, they were the descendants of Cain, the human who remained disobedient to God and followed their own counsel and that of the Devil, not of God or His Spirit. They were the humans born after the Fall of Adam, with the sinfulness of their fathers and mothers incorporated in every cell that derived from the recombination of their parents' DNA to produce offspring. I believe these children were brought up to continue wilful ignorance of, and resistant to, the Will of God, and thus became also children of the Devil, as described Jesus:
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. . . .and also by the Apostle Paul:
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him (Jn. 8:42,44 AV)
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;What this all means is that in Genesis 6, the Sons of God were descendants of Seth, meant to be trained to live for God but distracted by the attractions of the daughters of men, descendants of Cain, influenced to remain disobedient o the Creator and live an ungodly enticing life.
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others (Eph. 2:1-3 AV)
It was from such unions that men of great repute (not necessarily in physical stature), of great renown, great leaders of the pre-Flood civilization, but leading fellow humans into unacceptable wickedness of body and mind. So God wiped them out, and started again with Noah and his family. That continued for more than a couple thousand years until the time of Jesus, God come in the flesh, who made it possible for humans that believed in Him to be Spiritually reborn, so that a new spiritual person could come into being coexistig within the body of flesh still occupied by the "old man" of sinful nature. Such new beings are also spiritual in nature and set apart for fellowship with God, and thus have become, by faith in His Beloved Son, His children, for all eternity. So they also have the title "Sons of God." But mark this: it is His Will that being born again, they are not to seek narital union with anyone who is not yet born again, who is still and from physical birth have been, children of man, children of the god of this world, not yet children of God.
Got it?
I just want to say thank you for taking the time to explain this point by point. I know it takes time and I want to acknowledge that fact.
I feel I have a pretty good understanding of the New Testament, but admittedly I have not read through the entirety of the OT. I have read a few Books of the OT and having read the Book of Genesis I found it fascinating and it answered several of my questions.
Having come upon this issue of the giants and the fallen angels I found it rather puzzling. If I come upon puzzle pieces that I am not sure how they fit, I inquire of others to make sense of those questions.
I just came home from work and my mind is kind of exhausted right now. So I will have to reread it a few times. Thanks again and God Bless.
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Britain is brimming with ancient monuments. Medieval castles, Roman baths, Megalithic villages. The landscape is littered with them. And the most famous of all is Stonehenge.
It's not the biggest henge in Britain, but the only surviving lintelled stone circle
Stonehenge was expanded and updated by three different populations spanning 1,000 years.
Phase 1: 3000 BC
Work at Stonehenge started around 3000 BCE. That makes it older than the Egyptian pyramids.
Neolithic people used picks made from deer antlers and mandibles to create a ditch, a bank and 50+ large holes. The resulting earthwork may have been a burial ground for the elite.
Phase 2: 2500 BC -- wooden posts
Phase 3 - 2000 BC - bluestones and the henges
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These were definitely not built by giants or fallen angels, but by Neolithic men.
Stonehenge was built to protect an ancient DemocRat Congess.
Located at the crux of the Fertile Crescent
Note that Agriculture and animal husbandry arose in the area around Gobekli Tepe - you had the ancestors of domesticated sheep and goats in the lower Taurus mountains and the ante-Lebanon. You have wild wheat in the area around Gobekli Tepe
9000 BC is before the Sumerians arose (circa 5000 BC) and before the Ubaidians. It is thought that at least 250 large stones are still buried. gobekli tepe seems a religious site, not a living site, built probably for shamanic cults that attracted hunter-gatherers from great distances.
The first constructions date from 9600 to 8800 BCE.
Quite frankly I see both the GoP and the Democrats disintegrating. It would make a lot more sense for there to be at least 5 different parties -->
I'd suggest
The thing is that one can trace back the Indo-European language tree (containing indic, iranic, slavic, armenian, celtic, germanic,italic, etc. families) backwards to have a common origin around 4000 BC to the Kushan region - because if you look at Sanskrit, Avestani, Aeolian Greek and Anatolian languages you see similarities - with 7 to 8 cases and with 3 genders in nouns, pronouns, etc.
The only "touch point" similarities with other languages they have is slightly with Finno-Ugric and slightly with Hurrian languages
Afro-Asiatic languages are even more ancient
Dating to 9000 BC at least
Dravidian has fascinated me lately - especially as it seems to have similarities with Elamite (south-eastern Iran language before indo-european) and with Sumerian AND to me with Kartvelian and Basque (unproven - just my guesses as they are all agglutinative languages)
The existent texts or rather FRAGMENTS of texts are in Amharic, found in Ethiopia yes, but I don't think one can definitively call the book as Ethiopian versus Jewish. It could also have been Ethiopian-Jewish or an Ethiopian-Jewish copy of an earlier text.
I've not seen anything that puts it definitively any way or the other.
The text doesn't support your view
Genesis English: New American Standard Bible English: King James Version English: American Standard Version 1. Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, 2. that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. 3. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not strive with man for ever, for that he also is flesh: yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years. 4. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. 5. Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6. The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7. The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them." And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the ground; both man, and beast, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
From the text you cannot say The reason God Flooded the earth was to kill the giants born after Gen 6:1. They were evil. They were demonic. They came from fallen angels. It's all plainly described in Scripture in detail.
The text only says that there were giants at the same time as the sons of god mated with the daughters of men. Nothing more.
The text doesn't say that those then were evil or demonic.
The text does not say the reason for the flood was to kill the giants, but to kill humans period
Deviating slightly - but the Sumerian flood story always makes me chuckle.
The Sumerian gods - the Annunaki created humans in the Sumerian tales as slaves - the gods didn’t want to do their own ploughing etc.
The great gods Ea, Anu, enlil, ninurta etc. got ticked off with humans making noise disturbing Ea while he was drinking his beer (I kiddest you not :)
So they decide “ah, lets get rid of these noisy slaves and flood them”
Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Giants were born when the Sons of God went into the daughter of men. How plain can God make it? These monsters were made when angels and women produced children.
2Sa 21:20 Yet again there was war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number; and he also was born to the giant.
Num 13:32 And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, "The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature.
Num 13:33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."
God makes it plain as day that these fallen angels had sex with earth women and produced freaks of nature called Nephilim. They ate the inhabitants of the land. It took two men to carry one cluster of grapes on a pole. They corrupted God's creation. God sent Joshua, Saul, and David to kill all the giants.
I don't understand all the push back on this statement. God says plainly what happened and what He would do about it. If the seed of the woman was going to destroy the seed of Satan, where would the seed of Satan come from if not from sex with earth women? Satan's DNA is amongst us today.
Gen 6:9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.
Gen 6:10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Notice Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord, so he was a normal sinful man or he wouldn't need grace. But then it says he was perfect in his generations. God had waited till there was only one man with clean DNA left on earth. Everyone else on the earth had tainted DNA or tainted "generations". If God was going to produce a woman with His "seed", it would have to come from Noah through Shem. The "curse of Canaan" came through Ham. Nimrod was the first known giant after the Flood.(Septuagint)
Are disbelievers saying Goliath was the only Giant? Do they believe Goliath was just a large man? What was the size of Og's bed? Was it just Goliath and Og giants, or did Goliath have 4 brothers?
Any reader of Scripture must be able to see that there were many giants, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Giants. They had over 400 years to lay in wait for Israel to come to Canaan. All of the Hebrew writings agree with fallen angels making Nephilim and Noah was the remedy God used to fix it.
Most of the things you say the Text doesn't say, it plainly says to me. The only other explanation for what you are saying is you must hold the Sethite view.That was invented about the 4th century by a Catholic named Africanus or some such name. No one else agrees. Everyone else agrees that it was fallen angels and there is no indication in Scripture that it could have anything to do with Seth.
Genesis 4:26 is a poor translation in most modern Bibles.
Gen 4:26- And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord.
"Then men began to call on the name of the Lord." should read "Then Men began to profane or defile the name of the Lord. See International Standard version for the correct interpretation.
H2490 in the Strongs means to defile and preofane everywhere else in the Bible it's used. There is zero evidence that Seth's descendants were ever called the sons of God. Along with Genesis 6, "Sons of God" is used as angels in Job. The only men that can be Sons of God must be born of the Spirit of God in the NT as in Mat 5:9, Luk 20:36, Rom 8:14, Rom 8:19, and Gal 3:26. God is Spirit and must create His sons. We are sons of men until we are "Born Again". You must be Born Again of the Spirit or you won't see Heaven. God is Spirit. Some make fun of "born again Christians", but Jesus said plainly unless you are born again, you can't go to Heaven. You must be adopted into the Spiritual family of God to be a "son of God" and they are the only ones going to Heaven.
Angels are spiritual beings, but they can appear as anything.
Heb 13:2 Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels. Angels can take human form and be tempted just as men are. Jesus was called the Son of God, or Angel of the Lord, but was tempted as a man in the wilderness and He was equipped like a man. Angels don't have sex, IN HEAVEN, because God creates in Heaven and there is no need for angels to procreate. It doesn't mean they Can't procreate.
“Giants were born when the Sons of God went into the daughter of men. How plain can God make it?”
The text does not say that.
It says
“There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown”
1. There were giants then.
2. It does not say they were born to the sons of god.
3. The mighty men are shown as heroes, sons of the sons of God.
4. The giants are distinct from the sons of sons of God
OK, the way you read Scriptures, how were giants formed with 6 toes and 6 fingers that ate men and God wanted all of them dead? Would David kill one of God’s line of Seth? What was the last straw that made God Flood the earth? Was Seth a son of man or created by God? Why would a woman birth a freak by having sex with a man? If your unable to read what the Scriptures are plainly saying, is there other things you may have misunderstood?
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