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California Twentynine Palms: Explosives are missing from the nation's largest Marine Corps base and an investigation is underway
CNN via MSN ^ | 09 Feb 2021 | Amir Vera and Jessica Myers

Posted on 02/10/2021 2:52:23 AM PST by blueplum

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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Dasting!


21 posted on 02/10/2021 4:44:30 AM PST by Ymani Cricket ( "Pressure Makes Diamonds" ~General Patton)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

they lie.


22 posted on 02/10/2021 5:17:23 AM PST by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: EBH

still doesn’t mean it is true


23 posted on 02/10/2021 5:18:14 AM PST by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: blueplum

Virtual SOTU here we come...


24 posted on 02/10/2021 5:20:18 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds. )
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To: Sacajaweau
Should this be in the news??

If it's in the news, the question is, what is the agenda behind it, and what is the narrative they are trying to set up?

25 posted on 02/10/2021 5:21:12 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Hot Tabasco
"I’m thinking it’s nothing more than lazy paperwork."

That would certainly be the place to start. I have to assume that the USMC's inventory controls are every bit as tight as the Army's, which I'm more familiar with. Yes explosives do, "just disappear," in training, but even then, there is a paper trail (or more likely these days, an electron trail) that scrupulously tracks where every last ounce is or went.

We maintained a small amount of C4 and certain drugs in our Provost Marshal Office for training our detector dogs, and in my experience, there was no way any could come up short without having a name, date and time for the last time it was signed out, and barring that, there would be a name, date and paperwork for the last dates anybody who "didn't" sign it out would have had access to it.

26 posted on 02/10/2021 5:29:32 AM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: Joe 6-pack

How would they know that 6 grenades (for example) were missing or something else on that order?


27 posted on 02/10/2021 5:59:57 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Hot Tabasco
They would be inventoried and signed for by a responsible officer at every point in the chain of custody. For example, if the ordnance unit on an installation was responsible for receiving and storing them, they would be signed for and that officer personally responsible for their accountability, and would likewise be inventoried regularly and re-signed for. If they were issued out to a tenant unit on the installation for training at a grenade range, an officer from that unit (typically the Officer in Charge or OIC) would sign for them from the ordnance unit and become responsible for each grenade.

At the range, the grenades would be issued one at a time to each soldier who would expend the grenade in training, typically under the direct supervision of an NCO. In the case of grenades, normally, the pin and spoon would have to be turned in for residue accountability, and woe be the soldier who pocketed one (pin or spoon) for a souvenir and got caught.

There is a little bit of flexibility for some residue. For example the brass from a rifle or pistol range is swept up and turned in by weight and there is a (small) window allowing for some lost or unrecovered, but in the case of explosives, mines, or larger munitions (i.e. mortars) there would normally always be a name, career and a court martial on the line for loss of accountability.

28 posted on 02/10/2021 6:13:27 AM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thanks


29 posted on 02/10/2021 6:26:23 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Hot Tabasco
I will give you an example from Korea. Forward deployed units maintain an operational stock of ammo, which is maintained and accounted for entirely separately from any ammo used for training. Because I was in an MP unit with a 24/7 round the clock law and order mission, we had an arms room open around the clock.

Each soldier maintained an equipment receipt (a credit card sized form) for their issue weapon bearing their name, signature, serial # of their weapon, etc. When they came on shift, they would exchange the card for their weapon from the arms room custodian, and then sign for two magazines with five rounds of ammo in each. At the end of shift, they would remove the magazine from their weapon, charge their weapon and under the supervision of their patrol supervisor, point the weapon into a clearing barrel and pull the trigger to ensure the weapon had been properly unloaded. They would then turn it into the arms room, where the arms room custodian visually inspected each magazine to ensure there were still five rounds in each, and then return the soldiers' weapon card in exchange for the weapon which was placed back in the weapons rack in the arms room.

One night, for some reason, a soldier had chambered a round, and his NCO did not properly inspect the weapon before he went to the clearing barrel and when the soldier pulled the trigger, his weapon discharged.

I was appointed as the Report of Survey investigating officer, and had to conduct an extensive detailed survey, interviewing all personnel involved, so a simple property book adjustment could be made, the round replaced in the Arms Room inventory, and the soldier could have $0.18 deducted from his next paycheck to reimburse the US Government for the expended round.

30 posted on 02/10/2021 6:33:17 AM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: Joe 6-pack

Now that sounds like good accounting........


31 posted on 02/10/2021 6:36:34 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Chickensoup

OK...what would mean it is true to you doubting Thomas...the actual inventory sheets, Biden saying it is true, the entire country on terrorist lockdown?


32 posted on 02/10/2021 6:42:19 AM PST by EBH (Deer in the headlights get killed)
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To: blueplum

Hi.

“It is unclear what kind of explosives were missing and how many...”

Then how do they know anything is missing at all.

5.56mm


33 posted on 02/10/2021 6:45:54 AM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho ain't my president.)
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To: blueplum

When the Kaddhafi army in Libya refused to fire on Libyan citizens in the country’s 2011 civil war and deserted, the deserters raided every armory in the country.

So we do have a recent precedent that explains missing stuff in armories.


34 posted on 02/10/2021 8:01:44 AM PST by sergeantdave (Federal courts no longer have any standing in America. )
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To: blueplum

Is Trump at it again?

/s


35 posted on 02/10/2021 8:03:37 AM PST by Leep (Save America. Lock down Joe Biden!)
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