THE NATIONAL TROUBLES: Departure of Lieut. Hall with Instructions for Major Anderson; THE SECESSION MOVEMENT: Its Causes and Progress (1/17/1861)

New York Times archives – Times Machine ^ | 1/17/1861

[Homer_J_Simpson]

WASHINGTON, Wednesday, Jan. 16.

Col. HAYNE Called on the President last even ing, and was politely received. He stated verbally and fully the purpose of his mission, which was to demand the unconditional withdrawal of the garrison of Fort Sumter. The President heard him through patiently and attentively, but without the slightest intimation as to what his own views were.

When Col. HAYNE concluded his statement, the President requested him to submit it in writing, when he would consider it and communicate his reply. This was all that occurred, and Col. HAYNE is perfectly in the dark as to what the reply will be. He has been busily engaged most of to-day in preparing the document, but the urgent solicitations of a large number of Southern Senators, I understand, have induced Col. HAYNE to modify his views, and he has telegraphed this fact to Gov. PICKENS, and asked for further instructions. These Southern Senators insist on South Carolina doing no act which will involve a collision.

Senator DAVIS has dictated and forwarded a letter to Gov. PICKENS, which was written by another Senator, in which he supplicates them to abandon any policy which would involve hostilities, and not only open their markets freely to Major ANDERSON, but to cultivate kindly relations with him. Mr. DAVIS speaks of ANDERSON in the highest terms. He says he knows him well, and that he is as honorable as he is brave, and will never abuse their confidence.

The secession leaders are beginning to fear reaction at home. The highest ecomiums yet passed on Major ANDERSON were those by the South Carolina Legislature. This, taken in connection with the sudden change of tone in ANDERSON'S notes to Gov. PICKENS, is causing much talk in official circles here.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

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The National Troubles: Departure of Lieut. Hall with Instructions for Major Anderson – 2-5
The Secession Movement: Its Causes and Progress – 5-6
Editorial: Disunion and Slavery – 6-7
Editorial: Proportions of the Burdens of Government Borne by the South – 7-8
Editorial: Fort Sumter and the Government – 8
The Star of the West and Her Reinforcements – 8
Editorial: Collection of Debts at the South – 8-9
Indian Troubles – 9
The Teutonia off Cape Race – 9
Boiler Explosion – 9
The Secession Movement: Condition of the Forts at Charleston – 9
Facts About the Arsenals – 9-10
Editorial: Our Policy towards Mexico – 10
The Park Bank and the Chamberlaincy – 10
The Church of the Puritans Again – 10
Concert – 10

[M Kehoe]

Good morning Professor.

Thread hijack attempt...

The great state of South Carolina should decided again on January 20th 2021 at 1300 hrs to secede.

If they do they will not only get a U.S. Army base, an AFB, and a naval base with nukes.

Have it gentlemen.

5.56mm

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[BroJoeK]

"The Secession Movement: Its Causes and Progress – 5-6
Editorial: Disunion and Slavery – 6-7
Editorial: Proportions of the Burdens of Government Borne by the South – 7-8"

In these New York Times editorials we see addressed a good many secessionists' arguments often presented on FR CW threads, notably by DiogenesLamp, but also by others.

And the Times' responses are quite similar to those often posted by Union defenders.

Still, as always with Homers' threads, we can learn something new here, in today's articles a matter I'd never heard of: "the goose question" as in, "are you sound on the goose question?"
So whatever question might a goose ask, you wonder?
Well, it seems this goose was first observed in Missouri around 1853 and its honking translated to inquire about expanding slavery into Kansas.
To be right or sound on "the goose question" was to favor slavery in Kansas.

By 1861 the goose's honking was answered negatively, but soon enough its honking was replaced by the barking of muskets and thunder from cannons as humans asked whether Missouri & Kansas belonged to the same nation.

Stay tuned...