Mike Pence is being held out as the potential savior of a fair election

It appears that, as both vice president and president of the Senate, Pence has both access to information and actual power to affect the election outcome.

For the most part, Americans assume that the vice president lacks power. The president may assign him responsibilities, but the Constitution does not. Instead, he's the understudy, there just in case something happens to the president. Except that, in this strange year of 2020, we may learn that the vice president is the most powerful man in America. Ivan Raiklin, a constitutional lawyer, claims that the Constitution grants Mike Pence the power to overturn a manifestly fraudulent election.

On December 22, Raiklin sent out a tweet urging Pence to inform the secretaries of state in those six contested states that, despite overwhelming evidence of fraud, certified electors, that he cannot accept those certifications because the electors were not legally appointed.

The tweet has attached a memorandum for President Trump that purports to come from the White House itself, for it's written on what appears to be official White House letterhead. Here's my attempt to summarize in plain English the core claims in the memorandum:

Under Art. II, Section 1 of the Constitution, each state, as its Legislature "may direct," will "appoint" its electors. Because the six disputed states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) ran entirely fraudulent elections, and because their Legislatures did not dictate fraudulent elections, there is nothing to certify. (For the vast scope of both traditional and electronic fraud in each state, you can find an excellent short summation here and an excellent long summation here.)

I believe Mike Pence is actually a deep state plant, put in place to supplant president Trump through attempts like the Russia hoax, the Ukraine Hoax, impeachment, assassination or article 25.

I don't think Pence would have willingly certified alternate electors. With Pence in position, the Deep State has a plan in place if Biden can't steal the election.
At a state funeral (McCains?), Pence made a point of shaking hands with Hillary/Bill Clinton.

I've seen a photograph of Pence in the VIP with Bush Sr. at a baseball game (or football?)

Throughout these four years, Pence has been a placeholder. I don't beleive Trump would ever have willingly chosen a person of Pence's temperament.

Trump likes fighters like Sec Defense Miller. Recently Sec Def Miller addressed some unscripted comments to Pence while speaking at an outdoor event (Spec Ops ceremony?). I've seen an indoor version of Pence Speaking at Space Force birthday - I suspect that's different video.

Miller interupted his address to turn slightly aside to praise Pence for mentoring him, specifically Pence's wisdom and courage. Check out Miller's military credentials and the caliber of men he has known, served and lead, and ask yourself what kind of bar is set for Miller to be sincerely praising Pence for his "courage".

Some of us think Miller was not being sincere and was actually indicating that Miller knew more about Pence than the VP previously realized. After that theory swam around the internet, Pence delivered the first vigorously patriotic speech many found amazing. On Twitter, some mused, "Where has THIS Pence been all this time?" Indeed, why did Pence save his vigor and passion until now?

I believe the Deep State plot requires Trump to be "taken out of the way" somehow, and the optics require people to trust Pence. The Deep State's plan B, Biden wins or Pence is in place at the right time should the Deep State succeed in taking him out somehow. Either way - win/win for the DS.

President Trump knows what/who Pence is - watch the 2020 SOTU. President Trump enters the chamber to give his address and hurls programs at Pelosi and at Pence as if disgusted. There was no reason for Pence to find that funny, but he had to put a good face on it so Pence laughed, like such a display is just what good friends do at the SOTU with the world watching. Actually, his mouth laughed, but Pence's eyes seldom even smile.

President Trump told the world what he thinks/knows about VP Pence.

The fact Pence is still in place is likely due to the need to maintain stability during the attacks of the Deep State. I recall wondering why Trump retained such a milksop and some on FR said it was a deal with the GOP; the GOP would work against Trump unless he agreed. The GOP is corrupt (most) and wouldn't put a devout patriot in place.

I know this is unpopular to say. Some are horrified that I would question Pence because he's a Christian and we aren't supposed to attack fellow Christians.

My answer: George W. Bush. He often talks of his spiritual faith, but he openly supported Obama, criticized Trump and continues to insult our sitting president. I used to believe Bush Jr, and debate in his defense.

This is why God warned us that there would be wolves in sheep's clothing and those who claim to know God but only seek to deceive.

In the year's following Bush Jr.'s two terms, "but he can't be bad because he's a Christian!" has not aged well. It's an obsolete concept long before Clinton made a show of going to church. It's origins are in the bible.

I bring this up now because if President Trump were successfully brought down or silenced, let's say the DS blames on on the Red Dragon (China), many on FR would willingly follow Pence, whom I believe is the Deep State's plan B.

Mathew 10:16

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

I'm not saying we just pile on one theory or another. I'm saying we have to know exactly WHY we believe or distrust all the people in the government, religious leaders, CEOs etc. The Deep State is DEEP.

I've heard estimates that 90% of the US is Christian. Some of those Christians are later exposed for what they really are, as are persons of other faiths. Please pray for discernment and if you think I'm wrong, pray for mine as well. We have to be ready for anything, and we have no reason to trust officials like Pelosi and George W Bush, and Clinton, and others because of their public expressions of faith.

Where has Pence's fire/passion been throughout President Trump's administration? Why wouldn't President Trump havechosen someone with a record as a fighter to be his VP, knowing as he does what he would be up against? SO Pence is suddenly on fire now? Why?

I dont know why anyone thinks Pence is going to go against the establishment Its just not going to happen. Imo, you have one shot. State Legislatures. And it appears Arizona is the only chance..if that is even still in the works.

Because faith burns eternal, although I’m starting to think many here have stupid faith. It’s always hoping for one thing or another - a kraken, the Electoral College not voting on the 14th of December, ‘Delta Force fighting off the CIA and seizing servers in Germany’, the Giuliani-Wood-Powell legal ‘super team’, talking heads on Tucker’s show, the latest breaking news from Gateway Pundit that promises something amazing tomorrow ...always tomorrow, etc. As I said on a previous thread, now it’s a focus on the 6th of January when VP Pence is supposed to take a stand.

He will not - not because he’s not a good man, but because he is a good man at a time when to win one requires a cutthroat type of man who is willing to take massive decisive action to win. VP Pence is probably one of the best men in terms of character to ever be a Vice President, and he will be the gentleman. 99 times out of a hundred that’s a good thing, but not this time.

As you mentioned, the only path is the legislatures. That is where 99% of the focus should be. It is where there is not sufficient focus. My only hope right now is that President Trump is not a loser and thus must have something up his sleeve. After all, he knows the tsunami of legal action the Left has waiting to swamp him in an endless deluge of lawsuits meant to sink him and his family, and he also knows that a Federal pardon will not save him from State lawsuits. Thus, he must have a plan and - unlike VP Pence - President Trump knows how to play rough. That’s the only hope.

Fortunately or unfortunately we don’t have to wait long to see the final play.

Mike Pence’s political future depends on how he handles this very issue.

Pence has a couple of extra feathers in his cap based on how he responded to the responsibilities POTUS placed on his shoulders during the late pandemic.

That said, it’s not enough to inspire anything like the devotion Trump supporters have for their guy. There is no way Mike Pence will ever be taken seriously as a POTUS candidate without jumping into this fight, pronto.

There are certain traits we like to see in individuals in high federal elective office.

We look for integrity. Remember when “I was a severely conservative Republican governor” Willard “Mitt” Romney’s POTUS campaign took a Bay-of-Pigsian scale pass on endorsing Chik-fil-A appreciation day on August 1, 2012? Disaster struck Romney. That’s for sure.

Also, the capacity to express righteous indignation when the situation calls for it. Everyone above a certain age remembers the bloodless Democrat POTUS nominee (and also a former Massachusettes governor) Michael Dukakis totally whiffing on this money question during his debate with then-Vice President George H. W. Bush: “If Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer?”. Down goes Dukakis.

There also needs to be the sense that this person is ready and willing to lead and do the right thing in the face of politically-powerful opponents when existential threats are staring us in the face. Washington fought, diplomatically but relentlessly, to get the snowflake-ridden Continental Congress to authorize and fund a truly Continental army, knowing that by doing so he could easily end up being replaced in his position by any one of a number of scheming rivals.
There is also Lincoln’s politically unpopular sacking of McClellan, preceded by the money quote:”If McClellan is not using the army, I should like to borrow it for a little while.” Lincoln eventually elevated Grant to McClellan’s old post despite the latter being sort of a drunk. The money quote there was: “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

The list goes on.

There is Truman’s decision in 1945 to try to bring about a rapid end to the war in the Pacific by authorizing the use our entire nuclear arsenal at the time (all of two bombs) in anger against Japan to coerce its political and military leaders into agreeing to an unconditional surrender. Truman also wisely sacked and replaced of McCarthur during the Korean War “so that there would be no doubt or confusion as to the real purpose and aim of our policy”.

Reagan decided to go with his gut instead of his advisors and ended up includin in his Berlin Wall speech the controversial demand “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” in his Berlin speech. Reagan also wisely decided to walk out of the Reykjavic, Iceland negotiations with the U.S.S.R. rather than sacrifice his S.D.I. initiative.

Trump has been consistent, despite unsightly pushback among Republicans, in proposing and pushing hard for crucial changes in policy, with many successes, including the “get tough” policy on trade with China, the “build the wall” policy to bring an end to rampant illegal immigration through our southern border and put misbehaving Mexico in its place, the “no more endless foreign wars” policy so repugnant to admirers and hangers-on of former president George W. “Let Freedom Reign” Bush, and the non-negotiable “pay up or get out” policy with respect to NATO and our habitually free-riding European “friends”, most notably Germany.

The current electoral fraud and abuse situation, a swirling hot mess, is teed up for Republicans looking to put the finishing touches on their POTUS candidate resumés. Either they step up with their respective drivers and take a big old whack, or they can kiss their presidential prospects goodbye.

Pence must know this. He should be throwing down by now.

Pence is also that rare bird—an honest-to-goodness natural born citizen or NBC, seemingly a dying breed among putative POTUS candidates in both major political parties. It would be nice to have a strong NBC option.

But every minute Pence isn’t hounding Trump to be given at least as big a public role in responding to this electoral catastrophe as he was given duting the Covid-19 situation, he fades that much further into obcurity. This will be so even if Trump gets a second term. People will say, where were you, Mike, when Trump needed close-air support?

If Joe Biden ends up getting sworn in as POTUS next month instead of Trump, the first thing the stone-cold nihilist Democrats will do is let collaborating Republicans know exactly where they fall in the new pecking order, that being: Nowhere. It won’t be long before these same unfortunates are given the ultimatum to either renounce the Republican party immediately and join or at least caucus with the Democrats, or go find themselves nice cozy spots for a long stay under yonder bus.

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