Posted on 12/22/2020 3:45:48 PM PST by djf
Ok. Newsmax today says that if, at the reading of the Electors, for each one, a Senator AND a House Member objects, then, AT THAT TIME the houses are divided and each one conducts debate amongst themselves for two hours. If, and only if, this debate goes on until Jan 18th, then the election GOES TO THE HOUSE where each State GETS ONE VOTE. So my question is do we have enough support to sustain this effort? Are there enough senators and house members to carry on a 12 day debate? Does anyone think this can be done?
288 hours (in 12 days). We need 144 Congresscritters.
“ Am I right in believing this?”
No.
Any slate of Electors excluded reduces the total needed to win.
Not correct. Under 3 U.S.C. 15, "if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted."
Neither the Chinese Pelosi nor the Chinese Turtle will allow it to reach the floor of either House.
“ If the Senate sustains the objection to the electors and the House doesn’t they aren’t counted. If Biden no longer receives more that 270 the Congress has a contingent election”
Both wrong.
That scenario would be interesting, if it is true and legal
Pence has a similar role in this process as CJ does in impeachment. Up to him to go ceremonial or substantive. So far it’s been ceremonial.
I believe the process is a little different, but even so, I’d say no. However, There’s a lot that can happen between now and then and I read today that the Georgia State Senate voted to withdraw its certification of the electors.
I’m not sure how much influence the Governor and SOS have on this, since I doubt that they’d let it happen, or if it actually has any effect even if it does happen. But things are moving.
I also understood debate to be limited to 2 hours (by each the House and the Senate, concurrently).
Best case, it’s 2 hours per contested state. Even stretching things, no way this goes past 1/18.
“ no majority because some states are tossed wholesale”
Rejected electors lower the number needed to win.
Both chambers vote, and must concur (which will obviously never happen) to overturn the certified electors for any given state.
Barring that, the certified electors for a state are the ones that are counted.
A state COULD conceivably send 2 slates of certified electors, but the chances of that happening for even 1 state are pretty much nil, and there’s zero chance of that happening for all contested states.
So, net net - the EC count as it stands now is almost certain to be the EC count in the end.
Again, just being realistic..
No. Even if we got the Senate on board, in a split it will default to the “certified” electors’ votes.
I we scare the crap out of them...maybe.
That is the natural application of the 12th amendment, but Congress isn't really bound by any rules, in the sense that it can do "whatever" and the decision is not reviewable.
It seated Obama even though he was born a citizen of the UK.
That section of code is an instruction from Congress, to Congress. There is no penalty or remedy for failure to apply it.
It has the same sort of force as the laws that demand Congress pass a slate certain of appropriation bills.
Disputes in Congress
Electors met in each state on Dec. 14 to cast their votes. But some electors choose to vote for a candidate other than the one they promised to support, or decline to vote altogether — these are known as “faithless electors.”
The newly elected Congress meets on Jan. 6 to formally count the electoral votes and name the president. If there is no clear winner in the Electoral College, Congress holds a contingent election.
President elected
One candidate wins a majority: Congress counts the electoral votes from each state in alphabetical order, with the vice president presiding. A candidate needs a majority of the votes to win. That figure is 270, unless Congress disqualifies a state’s electoral votes. Members of Congress can challenge or reject the electoral votes, though that process is complicated and rare.
No majority: If the count reveals that the candidates are tied or if no candidate receives a majority, then the House of Representatives votes to choose the president. Each state’s delegation gets only one vote, so a candidate would need 26 votes to win.
This can be done. Don’t know if it will. Although I’m seeing more and more house members on my Twitter feed saying they will object. The objection is to each elector, not each state and each debate session must take a minimum of 2 hours. They need to kill 288 hours. There are 79 contested electors. That automatically will take up 158 hours. The Republicans need to extend the debate 130 more hours. Can politicians talk that long? Of course. Will they?
Unless the Republicans are stupid, they have to know that not supporting Trump will doom them to the electoral scrap heap. McConnell can pressure all he wants, but McConnell’s getting old and is probably near the end of his career. The 74+ million MAGA nation who voted for Trump are the future. I’ve made it clear to my reps that they either get on the MAGA train or forget any future votes or support. I suggest you do the same.
Unless there is a 269-269 tie it is not possible in a 2 candidate race for one not to have a majority.
I’m pretty sure the same Congesscritters can object over and over again.
Depending on those SOB’s for anything is like depending on a paper straw. They will do for us right after they take care of themselves.
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