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SCOTUS Fri Morning Update
Freerepublic | 12/11/2020 | tarpit

Posted on 12/11/2020 5:54:44 AM PST by tarpit

This is the updated list of SCOTUS motions in Texas vs PA, GA, MI, and WI. Newest motions are at the top.

The original motion is Texas vs COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA,STATE OF GEORGIA,STATE OF MICHIGAN,AND STATE OF WISCONSIN at the bottom of the table. Texas filed this as a State v State complaint arguing that SCOTUS has exclusive original jurisdiction. This means Texas is claiming there is no other possible venue to hear this case other than at the Supreme Court. The case was added to the docket, but has not yet been accepted. Remember, they filed a request for leave to file a Bill of Complaint.

You will see many states have filed in support of Texas (the Plaintiff), and even more have filed in support of the Defendants. These filings are essentially presenting an argument for the Court to consider in deciding if this case should be heard by SCOTUS.

In addition to the states, individuals have also filed motions. For example, 106 members of the House of Representatives filed in support of Texas. Other individuals filed in support of the Plaintiffs.

So far, 6 States have filed a request to intervene which is essentially asking the Court, if they hear the Texas complaint, to make the them a party to the complaint.

Ohio sums this up pretty simply by saying the States need this Court to decide whether the Electors Clause permits state courts (and state executive officials) to alter the rules by which presidential elections are conducted. Ohio does not agree with the relief sought by Texas but does believe this question is important.

The arguments are plentiful both in support and in opposition. Those in support generally are asking exactly what Ohio wants to know. Those in opposition basically are saying Texas does not have standing, its not an exclusive original jurisdiction case since there are other venues in which the complaint could, and should be heard. In addition, the idea of one state telling another how to run their election (especially through use of the courts) is offensive not to mention hypocritical.

President Trump’s attorney filed a motion to Intervene. This is a request to the court to add President Trump as a party to the original case. In his Prayer for Relief he is asking the Court to enjoin Defendant States and their respective officials from using the constitutionally-in-firm 2020 election results for the office of President to appoint Electors to the Electoral College, unless the legislatures of Defendant States review the 2020 election results and decide by legislative resolution to use those results in a manner to be determined by the legislatures that is consistent with the Constitution.

Many legal professors (including one from Texas) and other legal pundits believe this case will be denied a hearing, possibly as early as this morning, primarily for lack of standing. If not today, they expect SCOTUS to rule after the 14th.

Texas v PA, GA, MI, WI
Filed ByDescriptionDocument
Gov Bullock, MOIn Support of DefendantssourceGovernor Bullock, in his official capacity, has an important interest in governors and state executive branch actors retaining their key role in interpreting and implementing state election law.
L. Lin WoodIn Support of PlaintiffsourceDefendant's attempts to allow mail-in voting for a long period of time prior to election day or without signature verification violates both Article II. 1, cl. 4 of the Constitution and 3 USC. 1.
State Sen. William Ligon et alIn Support of Plaintiffsource Georgia election officials committed acts that were contrary to Georgia statutory law. These acts described below usurped the plenary power granted by the U. S. Constitution to the Georgia legislature to prescribethe manner of elections held for federal officials in Georgia. U.S. Const., Art. 1, § 4, cl. 1
Ron Heuer, et al.Complaint in InterventionsourceBy purporting to waive or otherwise modify the existing state law in a manner that was wholly ultra vires and not adopted by each state’s legislature, Defendant States 8 violated not only the Electors Clause, U.S. CONST. art. II, § 1, cl. 2, but also the Elections Clause, id. art. I, § 4 (to the extent that the Article I Elections Clause textually applies to the Article II process of selecting presidential electors).
Justice Freedom FundIn Support of PlaintiffssourceDefendant States violated U.S. Const. art. I, § 4 (the“Elections Clause”) and art. II, § 1, cl. 2 (the “ElectorsClause”) by taking non-legislative actions that changedthe election rules governing the selection ofpresidential electors and ultimately the outcome of the2020 presidential election.
City of DetroitIn Support of DefendantssourceThe allegations have already been deemed not credible by the Chief Judge of Michigan’s Third Judicial District and deemed not worthy of injunctive relief by theMichigan Supreme Court in two separate cases.
Lt Governor Janice McGeachin et alIn Support of PlaintiffsourceAn elite group of sitting Democrat officers in each of the Defendant States coordinated with the Democrat party to illegally and unconstitutionally change the rules established by the Legislatures in the Defendant States, thereby depriving the people of their states a free and fair election—the very basis of a republican form of government.The Guarantee Clause places an obligation upon the United States to ensure that such an unlawful election not be carried to fruition.

Rep Mike Johnson + 105 Members of the HouseIn Support of PlaintiffsourceThese amici appear as 106 Members of Congress and respectfully request that this Court uphold the plenary authority of the state legislatures to establish the manner by which electors are appointed, and determine the constitutional validity of any ballots cast under rules and procedures established by actors or public bodies other than state legislatures.
Ron Heuer et alComplaint-in-interventionsourceThus, this case presents a common question of law: Do Defendant State Legislatures violate the Electors Clause (or, in the alternative, the Fourteenth Amendment) by delegating wholly the post-election certification of election results to state election officials and judges as a ministerial duty?
Cutler and Benninghoff, PAIn Support of Plaintiffsource...since that legislative enactment, other actors have used COVID-19 as a pretext to eviscerate the election integrity provisions of the Commonwealth’s Election Code, such that the administration of the 2020 General Election bore no resemblance to the carefully considered procedures enacted by the General Assembly
State of WisconsinIn OppositionsourceThis Court should not exercise original jurisdiction; Texas’s suit is barred by principles of laches and the constitutional violations its desired remedy would cause; Texas fails to state a claim under the Electors Clause, due process, or equal protection, and its arguments about Wisconsin law are wrong on their face; and Texas cannot justify preliminary relief or a stay.
State of GeorgiaIn OppositionsourceTexas lacks standing; Texas raises nonjusticiable political questions; Texas’s claims do not meet the high standard for an original action against another state; and, Texas has not shown that it is entitled to preliminary injunctive relief.
State of MichiganIn Oppositionsource This Court should decline to exercise original jurisdiction over this case, the doctrine of laches bars review of the bill of complaint; the bill of complaint should be dismissed because Petitioner fails to state a claim upon which relief may be granted as to any of the alleged constitutional violations; and, Texas fails to satisfy the requirements for injunctive relief.
Christian Family CoalitionIn Support of PlaintiffsourceEach of the four States violated 3 U.S.C.§ 2 by prolonging their processes of countingPresidential ballots long after election day without itslegislature’s expressly prescribing the “manner” of thepost-election-day counting of ballots, as required by 3U.S.C. § 2. It was during this unregulated post-election-day ballot counting – in violation of 3 U.S.C.§ 2 – that the serious electoral transgressions occurredin the four defendant States.
DC + 22 States and TerritoriesIn Support of Defendantssource The District of Columbia, together with the States and territories of California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, U.S. Virgin Islands, and Washington(Amici States), submit this brief in support of the four defendant states.
PA State SenatorsIn Support of Neither PartysourceThis Court should disclaim the “authority” of State and Federal courts and Executive officials from enacting their own election regulations in contravention of duly enacted state law and affirm the rights of State legislatures to do the same.
Members of PA General AssemblyIn Support of Plaintiff/DefendantssourceBoth the decision of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania and the directive of the Secretary of the Commonwealth violated the prerogative of the state legislature to make election policy as prescribed under the United States Constitution.
PAOpposition to Motion, Response of Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.source Texas’s Claims Do Not Meet the Exacting Standard Necessary for the Court to Exercise its Original Jurisdiction, Texas Does Not Present a Viable Case and Controversy, Texas Fails to State a Constitional Violation, and Texas is Not Entitled to the Extraordinary Preliminary Injunction it Seeks.
OhioIn Support of Neither PartysourceThe States need this Court to decide, at the earliest available opportunity, the question whether the Electors Clause permits state courts (and state executive officials) to alter the rules by which presidential elections are conducted.
Missouri et alTo IntervenesourceThe State of Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Utah filed to join Texas
ArizonaIn Support of Plaintiffsource Urges the Court to adopt a construction of Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act that recognizes “there must be a substantial regulation of elections including not just procedures but safeguards.
Constitutional AttorneysIn Support of PlaintiffsourceHowever, allowing citizens to vote almost two months in advance of Election Day, for any reason or for no reason, is another matter altogether. Such a scheme is preempted by 3 U.S.C. § 1 and is unconstitutional under Article II, § 1, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution.
Carter Phillips etc alIn Support of DefendantssourceThe Electors Clauseand 3 U.S.C. § 5 contradict the Plaintiff’s unprecedented argument that a presidential election dispute is a controversy between two or more states.
Missouri +16 statesIn support of TexassourceEncroachments on the authority of state Legislatures by other state actors violate the separation of powers and threaten individual liberty.
President TrumpTo Intervenesource The Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2, of the Constitution makes clear that only the legislatures of the States are permitted to determine the rules for appointing presidential electors. The pertinent rules here are the state election statutes, specifically those relevant to the presidential election. The actions set out in paragraphs 29-134 of the Texas Bill of Complaint, as well as those set out in in paragraphs 4-7 above, constitute nonlegislative changes to State election law by executive-branch 17 election officials of the State, or by judicial officials, in Defendant States of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin, in violation of the Electors Clause
Texas v PA, et alMotion for leave to file a bill of complaint filed.source


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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It would seem a ruling on TEXAS should come today.

SCOTUS could order oral argument over the weekend. The problem if the matter isn't resolved before Monday is there could be problems with peaceful protests when the Electoral College meets then.
41 posted on 12/11/2020 7:30:53 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: tarpit

I admit I am no lawyer, but I don’t understand how the “lack of standing” that they claim “experts” believe will be declared can be declared.

Given that the argument is that these states behaviors violate the equal protection clause, and the outcome (who the executive of the US federal government will be) affects TX as well as all states, I don’t see how this could be dismissed for lack of standing...

Clearly the State or TX has a vested interest and is affected by who the Federal Executive (President) will be.

Can some lawyer here explain how the “experts” think lack of standing will be declare here.


42 posted on 12/11/2020 7:34:20 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: jdsteel
So your legal answer is that SCOTUS won’t follow the law

Simply put, yes. Perhaps you been asleep for a while, but "law" doesn't mean much in 2020. The SCOTUS is not a computer. It is a group of individuals with their own egos, biases, emotions, and wants.
43 posted on 12/11/2020 7:39:28 AM PST by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian )
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To: No.6

You are correct.

But it preserves the perception that it was “out of their hands”, which is the main goal right now.

No judge wants to be the one who overturns a election, even with all the fraud. Much easier to just pretend that “Well, we can’t hear the case because you are not really injured and therefore have no standing”.

It is, as you say, a semantic difference but one often used. Perception is reality.


44 posted on 12/11/2020 7:47:24 AM PST by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian )
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To: tarpit

Thanks tarpit.

I just read the Texas reply to the four states. In relatively few words Texas has rebutted the arguments made by GA, MI, PA, WI in their responses to the lawsuit.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163492/20201211095715842_TX-v-State-MPI-Reply-2020-12-11.pdf

Having read the Texas complaint, the 18 State amici brief, the PA Response, the GA Response, and now this Texas rebuttal, I am more confident than ever SCOTUS will take the case and Texas wins.


45 posted on 12/11/2020 7:48:40 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

If they punt it will be for lack of standing. Also, they could still grant the motion to file, and then deny hearing the case.


46 posted on 12/11/2020 7:56:07 AM PST by tarpit
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To: tarpit

I don’t know if this is from you, or in the original, but Bullock is the governor of Montanta (”MT”), not Missouri (”MO”).


47 posted on 12/11/2020 7:57:24 AM PST by dangus
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To: tarpit
The way I understand it is the court will first need to determine if this is indeed a state v state matter, and if there are no other possible venues in which it can be heard. If there are other venues, the exclusive original jurisdiction would not apply, and the case would be denied.

Your understanding is not correct. SCOTUS has original jurisdiction over certain matters according to Article III. It doesn't need to accept all of its original jurisdiction. Thus, it can exercise discretion over how much of its original jurisdiction it exercises. It prefers not to hear many cases it could hear originally. It's Article III original jurisdiction does include any case in which a state shall be party. However, with state v. state cases SCOTUS by tradition does not defer jurisdiction to another court. In those cases, other non-state litigants, such as POTUS, may be granted leave to inteverne at SCOTUS.

Furthermore, there are legal arguments that can be made that SCOTUS could hear the case as original jurisdiction even if Texas is determined to lack standing. That gets into the technical relationship between the Declaratory Judgment Act, the Elveenth and Fourteenth Amendments. It is unprecedented, but possible. This case is about the legitimacy of presidential electors. POTUS and VPOTUS are not ordinary citizens with regard to their legal relationship with the several states. Something execptional is possible from SCOTUS.
48 posted on 12/11/2020 8:03:39 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: tarpit

They have till Monday.

It is now mid day on Friday....


49 posted on 12/11/2020 8:08:34 AM PST by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian )
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To: tarpit

bookmark


50 posted on 12/11/2020 8:08:38 AM PST by DFG
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To: dangus

Yes, my bad. I corrected it in my doc. Thank you.


51 posted on 12/11/2020 8:15:03 AM PST by tarpit
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To: Dr. Franklin
Thank you for the clarification. Based on source I was under the impression that if the case is not an original jurisdiction case, then SCOTUS may punt it as it could be heard in a different venue.
52 posted on 12/11/2020 8:19:56 AM PST by tarpit
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To: redgolum

They aren’t stupid. 17 states have joined them now. They know that a giant majority of the American people know the election was stolen. If the supreme legitimize this, they will kick off the Civil War.


53 posted on 12/11/2020 8:26:42 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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To: DesertRhino

Who is doing violence, seizing parts of cities, and being protected by the police?

Who are talking about rules, laws, and rights but doing anything?

And most importantly, where do the justices live, socialize, and move around?

The personal threat is from team blue, the theoretical threat is from team red.


54 posted on 12/11/2020 8:29:27 AM PST by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian )
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To: tarpit; RummyChick
Article III, Section 2:

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

FYI "consul" in ancient Rome was one of two elected chief magistrates in the Republic. POTUS could easily be considered a consul such that a question over presidential electors is in SCOTUS's original jurisdiction. Again, unprecedented but possible.
55 posted on 12/11/2020 8:43:02 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Dr. Franklin

It’s possible that at least Alito and Thomas would vote in favor of hearing the case.

https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/12/11/two-supreme-court-justices-are-of-the-view-the-court-must-hear-cases-involving-disputes-between-states-are-there-five-n292833


56 posted on 12/11/2020 8:57:10 AM PST by RummyChick (I blame Kushner.)
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To: Dr. Franklin

“””In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls”””


Does this clause refer to Foreign Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls?

Or does the clause refer to United States citizens who are Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls?


57 posted on 12/11/2020 9:15:00 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Apparently a New California and New Nevada both filed in support. Yes, it is on the docket. It's Friday.
58 posted on 12/11/2020 9:25:50 AM PST by tarpit
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Apparently a New California and New Nevada both filed in support. Yes, it is on the docket. It's Friday.
59 posted on 12/11/2020 9:29:20 AM PST by tarpit
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To: RummyChick
Thank you for the link. It is a good read and very informative. The fact is, much of what SCOTUS does is based on setting policy. In this case I believe they have a clear duty to act. I just saw an interview with Texas AG Paxton on Newmax. He noted that the reason for SCOTUS having original jurisdiction over disputes between states is that it was designed that way by the framers to avoid wars between the states. Recently, a Texas state legislator has filed a declaration of secession, and Rush is contemplating if the Blue and Red states are capable of remaining in one Union.

There are severe consequences if SCOTUS doesn't giver this a fair hearing. Even the liberal justices on the left may recognize the seriousness of election fraud and the effects of a stolen election. I am expecting oral arguments over the weekend.
60 posted on 12/11/2020 10:36:51 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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