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Voting System Proposal
ZPRC ^ | 12/05/2020 | Zeugma

Posted on 12/05/2020 9:13:41 PM PST by zeugma

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To: zeugma

In Canada we have a physical voter’s list, and you must present your (mailed to you by the voters registration office) voter’s card at the polls, with photo ID. Then you are handed a PAPER BALLOT, which you mark, then personally feed into the tabulator (Municipal), or into the ballot box (federal and provincial)

Provisional ballots are provided, for new residents (show a utility bill and photo ID).

The common theme: PHOTO ID!!! Vital for any semblance of election integrity. Not that we haven’t had some interesting events in some of our elections, but paper ballots and PHOTO ID are excellent preliminary security steps.


21 posted on 12/05/2020 10:24:39 PM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighbourhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: zeugma
How about... 1.) a roll of aluminum or paper good for, say, 10000 votes each per machine roll, where each ballot result is punched into the roll, and then removed from the machine when "full."

2.) the rolls are numbered and are limited to a specific amount (per precinct and overall total) to prevent "phantom" rolls appearing out of nowhere. The rolls are then collected and sent to a central location to be fed through a MECHANICAL--not computerized--machine, with a trusted official campaign representative from each party in attendance to witness the tabulation.

3.) the rolls are then fed through another machine that will provide at the voter a "receipt" to be automatically generated and sent to the voter's residence confirming both a vote, and confirming who they voted for. This would be done by machine, without the aid of any person, and would be confidential.

22 posted on 12/05/2020 10:25:52 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: zeugma

This is going to take me a while to read, but at least someone is thinking about this stuff. It’s already too complicated for the morons in CONgress, I fear.


23 posted on 12/05/2020 10:27:29 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: zeugma; null and void

7 Ways the 2005 Carter-Baker Report Could Have Averted Problems With 2020 Election
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/11/20/7-ways-the-2005-carter-baker-report-could-have-averted-problems-with-2020-election/

The report proper:

https://www.legislationline.org/download/id/1472/file/3b50795b2d0374cbef5c29766256.pdf

Might be interesting to compare your recommendations with those in the report.


24 posted on 12/05/2020 11:37:07 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Captainpaintball
This is going to take me a while to read, but at least someone is thinking about this stuff. It’s already too complicated for the morons in CONgress, I fear.

The morons in CONgress will be grateful for this list so they can move to enact the exact opposite. Wait a minute ... Nancy already tried that, with HR1. Cocaine Mitch will be our only hope if we can maintain a Republican majority in the Senate.

25 posted on 12/06/2020 12:07:36 AM PST by SFConservative
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To: zeugma

We know how to conduct secure business on the Internet, especially with 2 Factor Authentication. Most of us have done banking or utility payments online, securely. I’ve been doing so for at least 20 years, so this is not a radical concept. At the user end, an online voter account experience would be very much like the experience of any other online account which requires extra authentication. Creating an online voting account would require an in-person application at a government office and verification of identity and residence. The accounts would be portable if the voter moves to a different precinct.

The server end of the online voting system would run on open-source software (which you can be sure would receive intense scrutiny). Political parties and other interested institutions would have real-time read-only access to the incoming data as completed ballots were submitted for tabulation, so they could maintain independent tallies.

The advantage to the voter would be the ability to retain a file showing their ballot choices, and the unique identifier of their ballot. That identifier could be used to look up the ballot online inside a published list of ballots, so the voter could find and verify their tabulated ballot anonymously.

The online ballot files would be downloadable so that anyone with a spreadsheet program could verify the tallies for themselves. If a week post-election goes by and virtually no reports come in from voters complaining their ballots were not tabulated, the confidence is high that all authorized votes were recorded.

Each completed ballot in the database would have metadata showing its unique number/ID, the precinct associated with the voter account, a timestamp showing when it was uploaded, and a timestamp for each time the ballot has been individually looked up anonymously. No voter PII would be attached to the ballot. The file connecting the unique identifier on the ballot to the voter would be accessible only by court order.

Other commercial and government databases would be periodically cross-checked against the database of online voter accounts, to identify and notify voters who moved without updating their accounts, became felons, or died. (Yes you should be notified if the system thinks you died, in case you didn’t) Voter accounts would expire after ten years unless the voter renews by making another in-person appearance.

Online voting would be an option not a requirement! Though I imagine it would become the predominant method before long.

There should be no such thing as an electronic voting machine! For someone who understands software and hardware hacking, the very concept of a voting machine is an abomination. Your only voting machine should be your fingers on the keyboard while securely logged-in, or your fingers marking a piece of paper at a polling location.

We move billion$ over the Internet each day without incident. We can vote that way too, securely.


26 posted on 12/06/2020 12:32:33 AM PST by JustaTech (A mind is a terrible thing)
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To: zeugma; Chode; All

I like the PURPLE FINGER. Each Paper Ballot should be checked at the counting scanner AND then that should be where the finger is dipped in the ink AND then the finger print should be placed on the upper right corner in a box.
This will also be on your Voter ID Card and in the BOE computer file.

Most States have your finger prints anyway from DL’s.

At this point I don’t give a Rodents Puckered Rectum about anonymous Voting anymore. We have no privacy anymore ! ss, nsa, fbi, cia, deep state, banks, loan companies, etc ALL have Our life history including what you had for lunch when you were 20 and how many burned out Christmas Lightbulbs you replaced 5 years ago.


27 posted on 12/06/2020 1:23:32 AM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: zeugma

So, are you suggesting that those of us who cannot ‘show up’ because we are infirmed and housebound, cannot vote?


28 posted on 12/06/2020 2:07:07 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Truthoverpower

STRAIGHT on but pure wishfull thinking since it WILL never happen if the DNC-RINO globalist mafia rules USA and STEALs that election


29 posted on 12/06/2020 2:17:46 AM PST by Ulysse
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The paper issued to the states comes from only one federal govt. source. Each piece has a unique blockchain watermark that is traced through the entire process. Each voter will be given a code linking their vote to the registered ballot. Just as in Apple device passwords, only the end user has access to this password access, given to them and only them when they hand in their ballot.


30 posted on 12/06/2020 2:28:17 AM PST by USCG SimTech
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To: USCG SimTech
It worries me that people could be coerced into providing their code to prove that they voted the right way if the code allows voters to confirm their vote.

Obviously this would instantly become the accepted norm in rat areas, unions, and liberal corporations, and making it illegal won't stop it just as the law didn't stop Biden's thugs this year.

31 posted on 12/06/2020 2:37:38 AM PST by fluorescence
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To: zeugma
Glad to see this proposal. As a layman, the principles seem sound, but I defer to experts in voting integrity.

One thing I would like to add is there needs to be the human element of trust and penalties for screw ups and fraud.

Consider the banking industry. There are many rules, systems, and controls to prevent fraud and the emptying of bank accounts by criminals. This is the banking industry's gravest responsibility.

And when data is compromised, a high price is paid in lost reputation. Executives are fired, the bank's stocks tanks, and customers leave banks for those that are more trusted.

By contrast, look at the cryto-currency world like Bitcoin. Bitcoin has sophisticated tech features like Block Chain to preserve a record of all transactions.

However, fraudsters seem to prefer to rob crypto-currencies because it's easier. The people they attack are often wealth individuals who participate in on-line crpyto-currency forums.

It's explained very well with good examples in a story on Krebs on Security about SIM Swapping.

Fraudsters take the path of least resistance. Banks are very hard to breach. However crypto-currencies are not guarded by any people or responsible institution behind the currency. It's outside government regulations, transactions can not be reverse, and crpyto is an easier path to money laundering.

Bottom line: people in the election protection business (our Secretaries of State and Governors) need to pay a high price in reputational damage and even jail time for failure to ensure the integrity of our voting system.

A technical solution alone is great, but it must be backed up with a strong human responsibility and skin-in-the-game approach.

32 posted on 12/06/2020 3:34:51 AM PST by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: zeugma

Nope. More likely to have issues with jammed printers or toner or paper running out than being able to get more ballots delivered within the county to keep a good backup.

And all that removable media and coded tech stuff is just calling for corruption.

Plain, old-fashioned hand and paper counts and tallies with plenty of locals observing is the way to go.


33 posted on 12/06/2020 3:50:30 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Terry L Smith; zeugma

This is from the WaPo “fact checker”, so you know it’s biased, but still it summarizes some interesting info:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/04/trumps-assertion-that-only-two-european-nations-allow-mail-in-voting/


34 posted on 12/06/2020 3:55:58 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: zeugma

A good start but doomed to failure.

1. There must first be an agreement to national standards barring Constitutional issues of states rights (specifically to determine “time and manner” of voting).

2. There must be a desire by those with controlling interests (aka politicians) to have HONEST elections in the first place.

Time and manner must be balanced by the guarantee of a republican form of government, equal protection, and how the actions of one state affects another. Must go to Supreme Court to sort these things out.

So, unless there is first a reset, such as CW2/Revolution 2, then no such proposals will move forward due to gridlock and political polarization.


35 posted on 12/06/2020 4:28:30 AM PST by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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To: zeugma

Since elections are done by state, the options are limited by blue state governments. What you can do is pass a national law making voter fraud a capital offense.


36 posted on 12/06/2020 4:46:44 AM PST by MountainWalker
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To: MountainWalker

How many vote stuffers would be willing to die for their crimes? My guess is very few.


37 posted on 12/06/2020 4:48:45 AM PST by MountainWalker
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Abolish early voting

Why?


38 posted on 12/06/2020 5:11:23 AM PST by Adder ("Can you be more stupid?" is a question, not a challenge.)
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To: zeugma
Those tech solutions for voting itself are nice but you missed the main problem that needs to solved: voter registration. One of the keys to solving that is better data sharing among jurisdictions and third parties. It's usually just third parties who find out, through very cumbersome research, that people are registered in multiple jurisdictions, are ineligible, are dead, etc.
39 posted on 12/06/2020 5:51:33 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Captainpaintball

“sent to the voter’s residence confirming both a vote, and confirming who they voted for”

That wouldn’t be secret balloting.


40 posted on 12/06/2020 6:01:00 AM PST by cymbeline
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