Posted on 12/03/2020 5:48:56 PM PST by conservativesister
It is distantly related to nattokinase and lumbrokinase, which function in similar ways on fibrin, but didn't have the same effect on congestion.
In the days before good refrigeration and pasteurization people would put a silver coin in their milk to make it last longer.
I tried it for various infections and found ZERO positive results.
Save your money.
Funny how so many here are dumber than rocks about ancient remedies.
Hippocrates ‘father of medicine’ first wrote how silver utensils and cups killed bacteria whereas other materials were observed to have bacteria grow wildly.
In the middle ages, the knowledge of the curative powers of silver led to the practice of christening babies with silver spoons as “born with a silver spoon in their mouth”, a good practice to keep babies from ingesting bacteria.
The founder of what is now known as Monsanto stated results of colloidal silver action on microbial agents in human subjects were astonishingly successful.
Numerous studies have confirmed these findings.
What the idiot posters here on FR are likely pissing on about is quality control. Silver ain’t cheap. Scam vendors are likely selling vegetable oil crap as colloidal silver.
It’s an anti bacterial. We use it for colds, upper respiratory, UTI. I have terrible sinus problems but do not use silver for it. I use flonase.
I looked up Serrapeptase and it does what it does because it is an anti inflammatory. That makes perfect sense for all of the things you two found it useful for.
If you are taking silver for upper respiratory or UTI you want to be using 250 ppm or don’t bother. Probably the lesser dose for sinus is fine.
I got rid of my stainless steel flatware a few years ago, and only use old silverplate. (Until I find a good deal on sterling silver at an estate sale). I’m sure we get trace amounts of silver when eating with silverplate, but whether or not it does us any good, I can’t tell. I don’t usually get sick, though I used to get bronchitis a couple of times a year. Haven’t had it for at least a couple of years now.
I have a life long friend who swears by “Colloidal Silver” treatments. But he actually grinds up silver coins himself and stirs it up into some kind of shake. So it might not count to the purists here. Grinding up old US coins is not giving him pure silver. The old US coins that he grinds up are only about 90% silver and the rest is copper. Eating ground up silver is a bad idea; eating ground up copper is worse.
Everytime I see him he looks worse although he claims that he is “getting better”. His blue gray tint makes him look like a vampire... he actually started out looking a bit like Grandpa Munster. He is currently only 58 but looks 78. I have told him that he is doing something that seems to be making him more unhealthy, but he won’t listen to me.
People usually try to avoid eating heavy metals, but silver gets a pass.
heavy metal poisoning is no joke
Post some links please. Here is a quote from the first one that I found about the safety of swallowing ground up silver. Drinking from a silver cup and using silverware is one thing. Eating them is another. Have you ever heard the saying, "too much of a good thing."?
“However, no sound scientific studies evaluating these health claims have been published in reputable medical journals. In the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade Commission have taken action against several companies for making unproven health claims.”
Thank you for continuing to share your knowledge and experience here. The people who could benefit the most may ignore your wisdom, but please keep it up.
It’s your back sinuses that are packed
Again I recommend Zicam nasal spray. The twelve hour kind
Depending on your weather you may be allergic to the mold in the air
And as for colloidal silver if scientific studies are considered relevant ...
An evaluation of acute toxicity of colloidal silver nanoparticlesAbstract
Tests for acute oral toxicity, eye irritation, corrosion and dermal toxicity of colloidal silver nanoparticles (AgNPs) were conducted in laboratory animals following OECD guidelines. Oral administration of AgNPs at a limited dose of 5,000 mg/kg produced neither mortality nor acute toxic signs throughout the observation period. Percentage of body weight gain of the mice showed no significant difference between control and treatment groups. In the hematological analysis, there was no significant difference between mice treated with AgNPs and controls. Blood chemistry analysis also showed no differences in any of the parameter examined. There was neither any gross lesion nor histopathological change observed in various organs. The results indicated that the LD(50) of colloidal AgNPs is greater than 5,000 mg/kg body weight. In acute eye irritation and corrosion study, no mortality and toxic signs were observed when various doses of colloidal AgNPs were instilled in guinea pig eyes during 72 hr observation period. However, the instillation of AgNPs at 5,000 ppm produced transient eye irritation during early 24 hr observation time. No any gross abnormality was noted in the skins of the guinea pigs exposed to various doses of colloidal AgNPs. In addition, no significant AgNPs exposure relating to dermal tissue changes was observed microscopically. In summary, these findings of all toxicity tests in this study suggest that colloidal AgNPs could be relatively safe when administered to oral, eye and skin of the animal models for short periods of time.
I think you'd have to consume a swimming pool full of the kind of colloidal silver on the market to get a 5,000 mg per kg dose.
> “safety of swallowing ground up silver”
Shows you’re an amateur lightweight right there. Colloidal silver is not ‘ground up silver’. It’s made in a process of suspending silver ion nanoparticles, having lost one electron to form Ag+ nanoparticles, drawn from a silver source using an electromagnetic process, no grinding ever involved.
You are posting to a published expert on clinical trial design. The FDA, like so many government agencies, has been politicized and this year weaponized. The FDA is really a consortium panel of experts drawn from industry and academia to collaborate on research subjects and evaluations of new drugs, biologics, devices, and materials. The FDA directors control the money, they choose the panel members all who like money. If they shape their conclusions to mostly align with predetermined government targets, they get renewed as panel advisors. I don’t like the Anthony Fauci types, not at all. He should be prosecuted. Don’t get ne started about NIH, CDC, NIAID, etc. and their federal employee leeches.
Walter Reed, Bethesda Naval, that’s different. Some Harvard Medical network institutions, Dana Farber etc. are good. Mayo Clinic is a mixed bag, office wars ongoing, he who controls the government grants makes the rules. Obama era cretins have crept into the medical bureaucracy in all institutions to ruin reputations and scientific credibility but given control of the grants because they carry the party line. They create environments of Lysenkoism.
Don’t dare even think of showing me a link from some government leech with fantasies of becoming a double-triple dipper with a big buck consultancy to scumbags in pharma executive suites. I am known to tear such frauds a new anus and to bring them up on scientific misconduct charges, especially this year where fake science has erupted across the spectrum of once venerable prestigious medical research journals. I’ve had many blackballed and those that have attempted retaliation have had their asses handed to them in court.
Most of the adverse studies on colloidal silver focus on misuse. Any therapeutic can be misused. It is important to understand misuse of any known agent. Colloidal silver is no exception. Such studies do not make it universally unsafe.
Am I advocating colloidal silver? No. I am merely directing attention to those that engage their big mouth keyboards before engaging their brains. We want FR to be smart. These posters demean the forum. There are other antimicrobial agents but colloidal silver agents should continue to be studied and evaluated especially in environments of drug resistance.
You’re lucky you said ‘please’ when you asked. Here you go:
1. Spectrum of antimicrobial activity associated with ionic colloidal silver
J Altern Complement Med. 2013 Mar;19(3):224-31. doi: 10.1089/acm.2011.0681. Epub 2012 Sep 27.
Conclusions: The study data support ionic colloidal silver as a broad-spectrum antimicrobial agent against aerobic and anaerobic bacteria, while having a more limited and specific spectrum of activity against fungi.
2. In vitro antimicrobial studies of silver carbene complexes: activity of free and nanoparticle carbene formulations against clinical isolates of pathogenic bacteria, J Antimicrob Chemother. 2012 Jan;67(1):138-48. doi: 10.1093/jac/dkr408. Epub 2011 Oct 3.
Conclusions: The four SCCs described here, including their development as NP therapies, show great promise for treating a wide variety of bacterial and fungal pathogens that are not easily killed by routine antimicrobial agents.
3. Comparison of methods to detect the in vitro activity of silver nanoparticles (AgNP) against multidrug resistant bacteria,
J Nanobiotechnology. 2015 Oct 5;13:64. doi: 10.1186/s12951-015-0120-6.
Conclusion: It seems that agar diffusion method can be used as screening test, minimum inhibitory concentration/minimum bactericidal concentration and time kill showed to be useful methods. The activity of commercial silver nanoparticle and silver controls did not exceed the activity of the citrate and chitosan silver nanoparticles. The in vitro inhibitory effect was stronger against Gram-negative than Gram-positive, and similar against multidrug resistant and susceptible bacteria, with best result achieved using citrate and chitosan silver nanoparticles. The bactericidal effect of silver nanoparticle may, in the future, be translated into important therapeutic and clinical options, especially considering the shortage of new antimicrobials against the emerging antimicrobial resistant microorganisms, in particular against Gram-negative bacteria.
I could go on for 50 pages.
1. Gibbins, Bruce Ph.D., AcryMed, Inc., Portland, OR April 2000
Pre-clinical and Clinical Evaluation of a New Silver Anti-Microbial Chronic Wound Dressing “
2. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN, Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI Oct. 2000
A Hydrophilic Silver Antimicrobial Wound Dressing for Site Preparation and Maintenance of Human Skin Equivalent Grafts to Venus Leg Ulcers: Technical and Clinical Considerations
3. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN , Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI May 2001
Antimicrobial Silver Polymer Contact Layer for Treatment of Venous Leg Ulcers
4. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN , Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI June 2001
Clinical Protocol for use of Absorbent Silver Antimicrobial Polymer Dressings
5. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN , Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI April 2002
Silver Antimicrobial Hydrophilic Dressing Benefits Management of Recurrent Non-healing Wounds
6. Nametka, Mary, RN, MSN, CS CWS, WCN , Associates in Wound Care, Kenosha, WI Sept. 2002
Silver Antimicrobial Absorbent Wound Dressing Can Contribute to Cost Control in Home Care
7. Smith, Latisha M.D., Ostomy Wound Management, Feb. 2003
Clinical Experience using Silver Antimicrobial Dressings on Venous Stasis Ulcers
8. Gibbins, Bruce Ph.D., Ostomy Wound Management, Feb. 2003
The Antimicrobial Benefits of Silver and the relevance of Microlattice Technology
9. Rose, Susan RN, BSN, CWOCN , Gentiva Health Services, Tuscon, AZ. April 2003
Importance of Assessment and Wound Bed Preparation in the Treatment of Chronic Wounds
10. Paz-Altschul, Oscar M.D., FACS , Desert Regional Medical Center, Palm Springs, CA April 2003
Silver Microlattice Uses in Chronic Wound Care
11. Tamulonis, Ruth RN, MS, CWOCN , Marshalltown Medical & Surgical Center, Marshalltown, IA April 2003 The Use of a Unique Delivery Method of Ionic Silver: A Case Series
12. Brandy, J. Christopher, MD, FACS, Caromont Wound Center Gastonia, NC April 2003
Understanding the Role of Ionic Silver in Wound Bed Preparation
13. Tamulonis, Ruth RN, MS, CWOCN , Marshalltown Medical & Surgical Center, Marshalltown, IA June 2003 A Paradigm Shift in Wound Management
14. Trowsdale, Helen RN, BSN and Olveda, Mary RN, BSN A-Plus Family Care, San Antonio, TX
Meeting the Challenges for Wounds in Home Care with a Silver Amorphous Hydrogel and Collagen
15. Agbim, Salome ND CNS APRN BC and Miner, Kimberly ND CNS CWCN Wound Care Associates, Englewood, CO Bioburden Control through the use of Silver Anti-moicrobial Gel on Contaminated Stage IV Pressure Ulcer
16. McCord, Shannon MS, RN, CPNP, CNS, CCRN, WOCN, and Bookout, Kimberly BSN, RN, CWOCN, and McLane, Kathleen MSN,RN, CPNP, CWCN, COCN, and Helmrath, Michael MD Texas Children’s Hospital, Houston, TX June 2004 “Use of Silver Dressing with Neonatal Abdominal Evisceration”
17. Marjorie Groom, RN, CWOCN, MSHCA, DAPWCA, Memorial Hosptial Belleville, IL April 2005 “Enhancing Venous Leg Ulcer Health with an Ionic Silver Hydrogel”
18. Barbara Conway Salerno, RN, BSN, CWOCN, Eddy Visiting Nurses, Troy, NY April 2005 “The Use of Controlled-Release Ionic Silver Hydrogel in the Management of Chronic Wounds”
19. Vickie Shuffitt, PT, Scott Hoskinson, MD and Carol Matsumoto, RN, CWOCN Wound Care Program, Maui Memorial Medical Center, Wailuku, HI “Silver Antimicrobial Hydrogel Eradicates Bioburden and Hastens Discharge for Acute Care Facility”
20. Gibbins, Bruce PhD and Karandikar, Bhalchandra PhD AcryMed, Inc., Portland, OR July 2005 “Novel Silver Antimicrobial Treatment”
21. Susan Girolami, BSN, RN, CWOCN Therapy Support, Inc., Cincinnati, OH April 2006 “Combining Ionic Silver Wound Hydrogel and Negative Pressure for Limb Salvage”
22. Cameron Field, DPM and Kenneth Morgan, DPM HealthOne Alliance Presbyterian/St. Lukes, Denver, CO April 2006 “External Fixation Pin Care Protocol Utilizing Ionic Silver Site Dressings”
23. Mary Webb, RN, BSN, MA, CIC San Mateo Medical Center, San Mateo, CA April 2006 “Use of Ionic Silver and Collagen to Reduce Bioburden and Promote Healing for Improved Quality of Life in a Complex Patient”
I like that cure better. Lol. I wonder if vodka will work also.
I swear by Serrapeptase. I started taking it to control Hidradenitis Suppurativa. Not a bad case but it helped. I also have Prinzmetal Angina and was having about 2 attacks per month. Since I started the Serrapeptase I have about 1 per year.
Ha ha, so my first post on the subject regarding my friend was prescient, “He actually grinds up silver coins himself and stirs it up into some kind of shake. So it might not count to the purists here.”
The first result from a search for the definition of “colloidal silver” yeilded this from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, “What Is Colloidal Silver? Colloidal silver consists of tiny silver particles in a liquid that is sometimes promoted on the Internet as a dietary supplement. However, evidence supporting health-related claims is lacking. In fact, colloidal silver can be dangerous to your health.”
https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/colloidal-silver
I agree that government agencies are not always the greatest source of information, but in this instance there does seem to be a great deal of consistency from both government and private sources... Eating silver whether it is dissolved in solution by chemically creating nano-particles or grinding it into a fine powder and stirring it into a milk shake like drink is stupid and will most likely result in health issues. As someone who spent a lot of years as the senior officer on a big city Hazmat Team... I second that conclusion.
Here's a slew of colloidal silver research & clinical studies focusing mainly on the subject of wound healing/dressings:
Silver based antibacterial compounds have a very long history of medical use. In my youth my mother who is an RN who taught at a hospital based school of nursing had some in the medical cabinet. But she didn't advocate eating them. Most of us over the age of 5 realize that topical ointments that are meant to be helpful for wound care... do not make an appropriate snack. That is why we store medical ointments in a medicine cabinet that is difficult for children to get into.
You did not provide even one link as requested. Your post consisted mostly of your nonsensical rambling along with a large volume of cut and pasted material from a website or websites that you for some reason you chose not to share a link to...
I am merely directing attention to those that engage their big mouth keyboards before engaging their brains. We want FR to be smart. These posters demean the forum.
Your rambling mostly described your distrust of everyone and every organization who/which disagrees with your position. The only thing that your post made clear is that you are a nut who demeans anyone or any organization that posts information which contradicts your nuttiness. I would not trust you anywhere near my medicine cabinet... I bought that A/D ointment to help a cut or abrasion heal not for a kid or a nut to eat.
>”U.S. Department of Health and Human Services”
==>>> John (Jack) Killen, Jr., M.D., NCCIH wrote the content of your pasted health graffiti.
In 1987 he moved to the Division of AIDS at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID).
That’s Fauci turf. If you are a Fauci fan, then say so.
Killen is a DC swamp lizard. He’s in the federal leech category. Little or no practice experience, but for sure has power to award grant money to ‘his selectees’, likely getting speaking fees and perks as kickbacks. It’s a verifiable fact Fauci hasn’t seen a patient in more than 30 years, likely the same for Killen. When you’re in the business, that’s a red flag.
Know these truths:
When one obtains a PhD degree and they can’t keep up with peers, they might become Deans of Colleges because it’s all they can handle.
When one obtains a law degree and can’t make it in the private sector, they apply for a government job and sometimes can find a hard to fill judgeship. There are exceptions but unfortunately, there are not enough exceptions.
When one obtains an MD degree and can’t make it in the private sector, they apply for a government job or find an advisory, regulatory, communications slot in a pharma company or health insurer.
Military PhDs, JDs, and MDs are a different breed. They are almost always top shelf and the problem with them is there are not enough of them.
The long and short is when reading government ‘information’, check its source and if you don’t know much about the source, hold that information in a suspense file, to be used to compare with sources you do trust.
Ok, that’s enough of this. Nothing personal but I have no more time for you. Good luck with your self-education or polemicals.
I agree completely that Fauci who has absolutely nothing to do with our conversation is a leftist and what he shares with the public is garbage. But Fauci received his medical training at Cornell and completed his internship at their associated hospital. Many fine physicians have been trained by that organization and in that hospital... Smearing all of them with that brush is ignorant and unfair
Jack Killen is the Deputy Director of NCCAM but he did not write the definition of Colloidal Silver that I linked to, there is a thanks to him at the bottom of the page for his review of the content, unless he is thanking himself that means that he did not write it. Is there something that you disagree with in the definition? Or are we just being treated to more of your rambling nonsense for the fun of it?
The best way to discredit yourself around here is to make wild claims, refuse to support your suppositions with references/links, and attack content with ad hominem instead of facts and reason.
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