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THE SECESSION MOVEMENT: More Rumors About Changes in the Cabinet; Editorial: Origin of the Proposition to Pay for Fugitive Slaves (11/27/1860)
New York Times archives - Times Machine ^ | 11/27/1860

Posted on 11/27/2020 8:08:45 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

Indications to-day are decidedly in favor of an early change in the Cabinet. The state of affairs in Georgia, and the position of Secretary COBB has so affected him as to lay him up sick in bed. In the meantime, his family are packing up for home, and will be ready to leave in a few days. Mr. COBB now alleges that ill health precludes the possibility of his continuing in his laborious position. Secretary THOMPSON will no doubt follow suit, in view of the late action of the Mississippi Senators and Representatives, though without the pretext of ill health. The announcement of Judge TANEY's resignation is premature. He will resign so soon as it is ascertained that Judge BLACK's nomination can be confirmed. If the South Carolina Senators are absent it will not be risked, lest the opposition of DOUGLAS and PUCH might lose the nomination. Judge BLACK's pamphlets have not been forgotten; neither has the fact that he franked them through the mails indorsed "official business." When the succession is arranged satisfactorily, Judge TANEY will resign to keep the appointment out of Mr. LINCOLN's hands. The War Department has no information touching Capt. MEIGS' call for protection to an unfinished fortification on Tortugas Island. The fortification is unfinished, but when completed and furnished with armament will afford no protection to Florida. It only commands a distant depot for our national ships. The islands are rocks, and there are no persons there but Government employes. We have but few arrivals as yet of Members of Congress, but we have any amount of speculation as to what will be the first steps taken after they do arrive. The calendars lying over from last session are large. The lobby are evidently despairing.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
Free Republic University, Department of History presents U.S. History, 1855-1860: Seminar and Discussion Forum
Bleeding Kansas, Dred Scott, Lincoln-Douglas, Harper’s Ferry, the election of 1860, secession – all the events leading up to the Civil War, as seen through news reports of the time and later historical accounts

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1 posted on 11/27/2020 8:08:45 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 11/27/2020 8:09:43 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
The Secession Movement: More Rumors About Changes in the Cabinet – 2-4
Editorial: Origin of the Proposition to Pay for Fugitive Slaves – 4-5
Editorial: Affairs in Kansas – 5
Editorial: Unionism in Georgia – 5
Editorial: A Dismal Mayor – 5
The Kansas Troubles: Gross Exaggerations and Perversions – 6-7
News from Washington: The Peruvian Minister Receives his Passports – 7
Mr. Lincoln at Home – 7
Effects of the Late Gale: Great Number of Disasters on the Lakes – 7
Slave Extradition Case in Canada – 7
3 posted on 11/27/2020 8:11:05 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
The Secession Movement

Question: Can part of a state secede from the rest of the state?

For example, can Michigan secede from (Detroit) Wayne County? Pennsylvania from Philadelphia?

they would probably be better off.

4 posted on 11/27/2020 8:22:13 AM PST by Jess Kitting
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Bump


5 posted on 11/27/2020 8:24:02 AM PST by sauropod (Let them eat kale. I will not comply. Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis. This is how Democracy dies.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Every time I see the word secession, I get excited thinking someone is getting things together for the good of the nation. Only to be brought back to reality..... I do not see it ever happening these days. Probably a good thing.


6 posted on 11/27/2020 9:08:02 AM PST by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell.)
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To: Jess Kitting
" Question: Can part of a state secede from the rest of the state?"

Sure, and it's happened more than once, along with boundary changes.
Maine split from Massachusetts, Vermont "seceded" from New York, New Hampshire and/or Connecticut, take your pick, and of course, West Virginia from Virginia.
The U.S. Constitution is copasetic with all such changes provided, provided, provided they are done by mutual consent, meaning both States plus the U.S. Congress.

Makes sense?

7 posted on 11/27/2020 11:05:17 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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To: originalbuckeye
" I do not see it ever happening these days. Probably a good thing. "

The key point to remember is that all such changes require mutual consent, but mutual consent is the one commodity in very short supply these days.
Amendments to the Constitution, a convention to rewrite it entirely, secessions and new Confederacies are all within the scope of the Constitution providing, providing, providing everyone agrees to them.

But of course, if we had all that much mutual consent, why would anyone want to change everything?

8 posted on 11/27/2020 11:14:03 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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