Posted on 11/17/2020 10:20:57 AM PST by karpov
No excerpt from Bloomberg allowed, story here.
A company lobbying the government to ban the products of its competitors is evil. I'll say buzz off, Tesla, since the the 2-word phrase I'd like to use is not allowed on FR.
The other collaborators in this scheme are listed at the site of the Zero Emission Transportation Association:
ABB
Albemarle Corporation
Arrival
ChargePoint
ConEdison
Copper Development Association, Inc.
Duke Energy
Edison International
Enel X
EVBox
EVgo
Ioneer
Li-Cycle
Lordstown Motors
Lucid Motors
Piedmont Lithium
PG&E Corporation
Proterra
Redwood Materials
Rivian
Siemens
Southern Company
SRP
Tesla
Vistra
Volta
Uber
WAVE
In my state, all teslas should have a bumper sticker that says “Powered by coal”.
Okee dokee. I want them to sign on to an agreement that, henceforth, they will be using ZERO objects/items that are in any way derived from petroleum products/by products. ANY! In any form whatsoever. And, you can tell them all to phu-cough!
There is no such thing as a zero emission vehicle. The electricity you charge your EV with has to be generated somewhere, usually in less affluent neighborhoods, usually burning *gasp* fossil fuels. You’re just pushing the emissions elsewhere. TANSTAAFL!
I’m not against EVs and hybrids, but they’re not some kind of Ponies and Unicorns Harry Potter magic they’re made out to be.
Can’t be done.
There probably isn’t enough Lithium in the world to make it happen
Uh, no thanks.
Not ever.
I lease a Cadillac. I received a survey wanting my opinion on electric vehicles. The first question was “What would make you purchase/lease an electric vehicle.” I chose “under no circumstances.” The survey was terminated at that point.
Real fascism at work in America.
Aye, but only 20% of US electricity production is from coal... down from nearly 50% a few short years ago.
Actually, the world’s proven reserves of lithium are enough to create 4 billion cars. Most people are so used to fuels being consumed, but Lithium is not a fuel and it is not consumed. You can drive your car for 20 years and 500,000 miles, and there will be every bit as much lithium as when it was brand new. Repurifying it may be as expensive as hell, AFAIK, but it’s still there.
What I just wrote presumes 9 pounds of lithium per battery at global proven reserves of 17 millon tons... just double-checked and found that with a surge in lithium-finding funding in the last few years, there’s an estimated 80 million tons of lithium.
...on the other hand there won’t be enough lithium in the world for anti-=depressants if Trump actually wins and melts all the snowflakes.
If you like your Brown-Outs now, just wait till you experience your Pitch Black-MonthOuts!
Can’t make enough electricity now....
Electric vehicles are utterly stupid.
Until the power grid can handle its normal load plus the load of electric vehicles, it just won’t work.
California has rolling black/brown outs now, because tt can’t sustain any increase in energy load.
How about potato batteries?
Tesla alone has sold over a million vehicles, with half a million being delivered in 2020 alone and another million slated for delivery in 2021.
California’s power grid issues are unique to California and their overegulated, mismanaged, catastrophically bad power infrastructure. A windy day can take out power for millions and burn down half the state. That’s self-inflicted. Most of the rest of the country isn’t infected with that level of pure idiocy. A million electric vehicles - which mostly charge at night when usage is low anyway - isn’t hurting a thing. If it is, then you’ve already got serious problems that have nothing to do with the cars.
Can’t make enough electricity now....
Like with nukular weapons, the problems don't end with creation. You also have to have a delivery system.
About 40% of the energy America consumes goes to transportation and the power comes from dead dinosaurs. Right now, the fuel for that 40% is delivered to the retail distribution points in vehicles powered by -- what else? -- dead dinosaurs.
So it's not just production, we also would have to upgrade the power grid to the tune of an additional 40% capacity. So the questions then become how long will it take, and how much will it cost, and who will pay for it?
Also, It's presumed that most people will recharge their coal-powered cars at home but what if they take an extended trip by car for holidays and such? Then it gets really complicated because you're left asking "How many cars can Grandma's home circuitry charge at once?" And "How long will I have to stay at Grandma's to get my turn at recharging so I can make the trip home?"
And if the one-way drive will take more than a single charge, then it gets really interesting because then you'll be dependent on commercial charging stations, which presents a whole new set of "economic viability" problems.
First of all, a fast charging station costs more than 10x as much as a Slumberger fuel dispenser head. And even with the fastest (advertised) full charge currently available, you'll spend 4x as long charging as you would fueling. Which means besides spending 10x as much for a "fuel dispenser," the "gas stations" also will need four times as many of them (best case) to support the same volume of customer traffic as they did with vehicles that ran on dead dinosaurs. And also will need additional real estate for four times as many recharging islands.
And right now there are 21,000 commercial charging stations in America. And there are 35,000 cities and towns across the fruited plain. Which leads to the further questions of how long will it take, how much will it cost, and who's going to pay for all the additional commercial charging stations?
Or are we supposed of give up on the idea of vacations and holiday weekends in the family car so we can engage in the fantasy that we're saving the planet by driving a car that's chockablock with exotic hazardous materials and gets its power from a coal-fired steam plant and has a wildly unpredictable driving range? And in many cases will take longer to refuel than to drive off that fuel?
And disabuse yourself of the notion that electric cars will be any cheaper to operate, because you can bet your bippy that the government will offset the loss of gasoline tax income somehow, and you also can pretty well bet they simply will transfer it to EVs in the form of a wheel tax or electricity consumption tax.
Not to mention that companies like Tesla are lying about the cost of "fueling" their cars.
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