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No, That Mountain Lion Wasn't "Stalking" a Runner
Backpacker ^ | Oct 15, 2020 | Adam Roy

Posted on 10/16/2020 11:46:27 AM PDT by SJackson

A viral video of a mountain lion has inspired headlines about the cat "stalking" the runner who recorded it.

But that's not what the clip shows.

By now, you've doubtless seen *that* viral mountain lion video. Shot in Utah, the six-minute clip shows a mountain lion advancing, snarling and batting at the air, as Kyle Burgess, the trail runner holding the camera, slowly backs away down the gravel path. Since first appearing online, the video, titled "Cougar Attack in Utah | Mountain Lion Stalks Me For 6 Minutes!" has appeared in publications from CNN to Newsweek, many of which have parroted its language about "stalking" and "attacks" in their titles.

Beth Pratt has a problem with headlines like those.

"'Stalking' implies you're hunting something, right?" she says. "I always say this: If a mountain lion is stalking you to hunt you, you will probably not know."

Pratt has had her fair share of encounters with cougars, both personal and professional. As the California regional executive director for the National Wildlife Federation, she works with conservation groups trying to protect mountain lions in the Santa Monica Mountains near Los Angeles, and has helped collar the animals for National Park Service projects. She's also encountered lions, on lawns and in backyards, near her home outside of Yosemite National Park.

As Pratt points out, mountain lions are ambush predators, sneaking up on their quarry and staying hidden until the very last minute.

In contrast, she says, the snarling, lunging cat in the video is trying to warn off a creature that it likely sees as a threat. She points out that the cougar's reaction begins after Burgess, the runner, approaches its offspring. (In interviews, Burgess has said he thought the kittens were bobcats.)

Pratt uses the analogy of a mother on a playground to explain the lion's reaction.

"She looks over and a strange man is going up to one of her little kids," Pratt says. "So she's probably responding. 'That's a threat. Oh my God, I don't know who that is.'"

Aside from approaching the kittens, Pratt acknowledges that Burgess did many things right: He made himself as tall as possible, backed away while talking firmly to the mountain lion, and threw a rock to dissuade the animal when he felt safe doing so. She worries, however, that sensational headlines and fear might prompt some hikers to take more drastic measures.

"You have people panicking and saying the cat needs to be shot, or that you should run with a gun. It just incites fear where it doesn't need to be," Pratt says. "I think it actually makes people less safe, because [they believe] they can behave in the wrong way around wildlife. And it certainly makes the wildlife less safe."

While there are no guarantees around wildlife, mountain lion attacks are extremely rare: In the United States, roughly 20 people have died in cougar attacks over the past 100 years. (In contrast, about five people die from venomous snakebites countrywide every year, while about 86 die annually from bee and wasp stings.) Speaking to the New York Times about the case, Scott Root, the conservation outreach director for the Utah Department of Natural Resources’ Division of Wildlife Resources, said he couldn't recall a fatal cougar attack in the state in his 30-year career.

To ward off encounters like the one depicted in the video, Pratt suggests giving mountain lions space and learning a little about their behavioral cues so you can "read the room" should you run into one. For those who feel the need to carry some kind of protection, bear spray—which Pratt carries regularly—works as well on cougars as it does on grizzlies.

Ultimately, though, she says a mountain lion you can see is unlikely to attack you.

"If you see a mountain lion and it sees you...you probably aren't in danger," she says. "That mountain lion knows you're aware of it, and it's not on the hunt."


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1 posted on 10/16/2020 11:46:27 AM PDT by SJackson
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Man Escapes Cougar: 'Dude, I Don't Feel Like Dying Today'

2 posted on 10/16/2020 11:47:53 AM PDT by SJackson (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself, M Twaini)
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To: SJackson

I’d have put a shot in the dirt in front of the big cat.

They don’t like things that go “boom!”


3 posted on 10/16/2020 11:48:20 AM PDT by Fai Mao (There is no justice until PIAPPS is hanging from a gallows.)
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To: SJackson

The cougar did nothing wrong.
Stay away from young critters. Their moms will take it out your hide if you approach them...


4 posted on 10/16/2020 11:49:18 AM PDT by Little Ray (uan)
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To: SJackson
works as well on cougars as it does on grizzlies.

And, unfortunately the users are unable to comment about the consistently bad results, but they are the same results.

5 posted on 10/16/2020 11:50:35 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (FILL THE SEAT)
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To: SJackson
"If you see a mountain lion and it sees you...you probably aren't in danger," she says.

lol....

6 posted on 10/16/2020 11:50:38 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Little Ray

The guy had to know that... so why did he approach the cubs?


7 posted on 10/16/2020 11:52:14 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Barbarism is the absence of standards to which an appeal can be made" Y Gasset)
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To: SJackson

That was my first thought when I saw it last week.

If he was ‘stalked’ he’d be cat poop now..............


8 posted on 10/16/2020 11:54:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (Sine Q-Anon.....................very............)
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To: Little Ray

Like that woman last month who got too close to a bison calf...................


9 posted on 10/16/2020 11:55:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (Sine Q-Anon.....................very............)
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To: SJackson

I had some property up north of DFW in an area that was mostly trees and hills. There was a pond on my property that was one of the few water holes for wildlife. I had parked on a road that runs by the property to check out an adjoining property and was standing by the car. As I turned around, a mountain lion was no more than 50’ from me, walking calmly into the brush across the road. He didn’t growl or anything, just went on about his business...and so did I.


10 posted on 10/16/2020 11:57:13 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: SJackson

I had some property up north of DFW in an area that was mostly trees and hills. There was a pond on my property that was one of the few water holes for wildlife. I had parked on a road that runs by the property to check out an adjoining property and was standing by the car. As I turned around, a mountain lion was no more than 50’ from me, walking calmly into the brush across the road. He didn’t growl or anything, just went on about his business...and so did I.


11 posted on 10/16/2020 11:57:13 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: SJackson

Heard many years ago, that if a mountain lion lets you see it, it is on purpose. If it is stalking, no warning until it pounces.

This lion was not stalking just wanted the stranger gone.


12 posted on 10/16/2020 11:57:48 AM PDT by doorgunner69 (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - T Jefferson)
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To: SJackson

Drove out to my favorite and remote valley in the high Eastern hills of San Diego County once. Parked the car beneath a shade tree, commenced my leisurely walk.

A minute or two later I spied a lion spying me. She sat on a large boulder about 100 yards across the narrow meadow. Continued my walk, came to a stand of trees which blocked my view of her. When beyond the trees I could see that boulder but no lion. Walked back to the car and went on home, feeing no need to push my luck.

Had many walks there after that, always felt safe but who knows who might have been watching me feel safe.

Never walked there at night, though. Only place I lived where I never walked at night.


13 posted on 10/16/2020 11:58:06 AM PDT by Quentin Quarantino
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To: SMARTY

He thought they were bobcats.
Sounds like something else to keep away from!


14 posted on 10/16/2020 12:00:53 PM PDT by Little Ray (uan)
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To: Little Ray

For sure


15 posted on 10/16/2020 12:04:25 PM PDT by SMARTY ("Barbarism is the absence of standards to which an appeal can be made" Y Gasset)
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To: SJackson
“...... bear spray—which Pratt carries regularly—works as well on cougars as it does on grizzlies. ......”

Which is why when I go hunting or hiking, I carry a .44 Rem Mag revolver. It will work much better on wild animals than bear-spray.

16 posted on 10/16/2020 12:05:38 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: SJackson

The main thing I can’t figure out about that video is it took him 6 minutes to realize he should pick up a rock and throw it at the cougar, at which point it turned tail and ran.


17 posted on 10/16/2020 12:06:33 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: SMARTY

He says he didn’t realize they were cougar cubs. He saw them in the distance and thought they were grown bobcats. He obviously also didn’t see the mother who was probably 10 yards in front of the cubs, lying on the road.


18 posted on 10/16/2020 12:08:41 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: SJackson

Yes, this was obvious from watching the video. Just a Mama protecting her cubs.


19 posted on 10/16/2020 12:12:52 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Ghislaine Maxwell lives and Joe Biden is losing.)
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To: SJackson
roughly 20 people have died in cougar attacks over the past 100 years...

The vast majority fatal attacks have been in the last 30 years.

20 posted on 10/16/2020 12:14:03 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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