And who's the idiot that let 'em drive?
That guy needs a good talking to.
Posted on 09/22/2020 12:41:22 AM PDT by redheadedshannon
I wanted to create an open, honest & nonjudgemental thread about the possibility of a future conservative female candidate for president. I wonder what most males opinions are on the subject & how it might affect the vote for our side. I would like everybody to feel comfortable being totally honest. Everybody is entitled to their own preferences & I wouldn't assume anything bad about someone based on that opinion. In fact, often wondered what my own husbands opinion truly is on the topic.
Would you go so far as to say you would never vote for a female for president? Are you concerned that any woman would be weak & wouldn't uphold conservative principles? Would you have voted for Margaret Thatcher? If you were forced to choose any woman, who would she be?
I ask because, inevitably, a female might be nominated & I'd like to have an open & supportive discussion on our side about what people's feelings will be. Will it affect our vote? What might your concerns be? Or are you feelings that the gender is of the candidate is irrelevant- so long as they are conservative & stand by their beliefs.
Speaking for myself, I could care less about gender or race or so forth. All that matters is competency and politics.
I have no qualms voting for conservative women. I like what I see and hear of Kristi Noem, for example, and she seems to be an unwavering conservative. She’s one of my favorites for 2024. Ironically, I was never a big Palin fan, though. Not because she didn’t express strong conservative principles, it was more her grating voice and she seemed a bit of an airy personality. Maybe it was because she reminds me of my sister-in-law, lol.
policy POV is more important than gender in this job-
This is your vanity? It’s 2020. And donate $10... Go on The view. It sounds like you can have a good discussion there
She would like everyone to be totally comfortable answering this and you answered with a real response? I think people here are losing their minds. It’s a ridiculous vanity and it doesn’t deserve a answer.
How do you feel about voting for men? How absurd does that sound? Absurd question right?
Nonjudgmental?
This sounds like a beta thread.
You’ve asked for total honesty: since XIX this country has gone to hell in a handbasket.
(it may have done so anyway, as most nations do, but not so rapidly)
As Jordan Peterson has pointed out, there is generally more variability between members within a group than between groups.
That said, women are different from men ON AVERAGE in certain characteristics like agreeableness, they express aggression covertly as opposed to overtly ON AVERAGE and in general are going to be more community oriented.
However, one might see, for example, going to war, as an EXPRESSION of community if they see the scope of 'community' as not 'the global village'
So it really really really depends.
Women are certainly capable of just as much corruption, though may get a pass because societies are likely to take more time to see them as corrupt.
So to even answer the question ... you'd have to agree at the outset that we are talking about a guaranteed non-corrupt though of course imperfect character.
Men tend to occupy the ends of the bell curves when it comes to intelligence and aggression. Yet both of those things can be deployed for good or for bad.
It's hard to imagine anyone other than a Trump, with strong masculine-ness, kicking the dems' asses they way Trump has. Could a woman have done this? From my experience, I doubt it, but can a woman kick serious ass? Surely ... more often less overtly.
The right woman for the right time will come along (Also maybe the wrong one will).
My sense is that for most rational conservatives, just as with blacks, nobody really cares. Show me the times, show the man or woman ... and because there is more variability within groups than between ... ... ... you make the decision then and there.
Before I know Condi Rice's true politics ... that is, having nothing to do with her being female or black -> when I thought she was conservative (which it turned out she isn't) ... I would have had no problem voting for her. I THINK that's mostly true for most conservatives.
In general though I am sympathetic to the argument that women never should have been given the vote NOT because 'they are too weak or too stupid' or some bigotty argument ... but because too much feminine energy leads to too much community orientation leads to too much socialism. I would allow women the vote but first I would go back in time and put in even more clarity about the limits of government.
Out of concern for community and security ... I believe the en masse, women voting leads to more pressure against freedom and individualism, which would be fine had the Constitution been prepared for it.
THAT SAID, weak charactered men, long before women got the vote, were certainly doing their best to eat away at the Constitution ... so anyone who argues that women are destroying the country with too much collectivism are not looking hard enough at men.
Anyway that's more than you asked for. Speaking for myself, I'd vote for whoever I predicted was most likely to strengthen freedom and destroy collectivism. If that's a 23 armed black muslim tranny ... well ... IF that would result in stronger liberty and weaker collectivism ... then if later in the campaign cycle I even found out it was a leper penguin from the moon, then I could look past all that.
We conservatives, I THINK, look at the president as more of a servant, janitor, employee who must be able to lead, but isn't primarily 'my leader.' In that sense, I'll hire whoever will simply git 'er done, just as I would hire a construction contractor or software engineer.
There's nothing virtuous in that by the way, I'm not 'pro woman' ... it's incidental that I'd vote for a woman if the woman happened to be the one I predicted would get it done.
Finally, if Trump revealed to us that all this time he was actually born a woman, I'd say fine, don't care, so long as you don't push any agenda other than more liberty and less government.
Only if she’s super hot. Dumb question.
I don’t think we should have gave women the vote let alone elect one president.
Ever since we have given them the vote the country has been going down hill.
No thanks.
Using the Biblical Standard, Women were to lead ONLY when a Male leader could not be found.
At risk of promoting a stereotype, most women mix too much of their emotions in with their “morality” and/or policy positions.
For me, it would have to be someone like Kristi Noem, or Sarah Palin, etc. Someone I had no fear would buckle under to an emotional argument or what was popular or fashionable even. Shoot, we see too much of this with men, for example those who make the supreme court with Roberts being the latest example.
The problem with women in politics did not begin with the suffrage movement. It began when we started lettin’ ‘em wear shoes.
Good post
Well, it’s like a poker game.
You can watch but, we ain’t gonna let you play...
Seriously, I voted for Sarah Palin’s dad, based on the actuarial table Matt Damon discussed and though she would be a terrific president and a PILF
I don’t care if you are a woman. Build your qualifiers and ideas then run.
The integrity of your , character, strength of your ideas and ability to persuade others are some things I consider.
You libs and your 19th Amendment.
Sheeze!
And who's the idiot that let 'em drive?
That guy needs a good talking to.
I agree, And we should repeal the 19th. The problem is for ever woma. Who can lead and be competent at it theres 10,000 who aren’t.And they are far far worse thenen when it comes to back stabbing and changing their minds. I recommend going and sitting thru divorce court or talking to a few lawyers who want to be blunt about their clients. Women are the more vicious sex and hold grudges lomger, much longer. Al. Of this is “AS A WHOLE OR GROUP”.
Margeret Thatcher was so much better and tougher than the Brit “Conservatives” that came before and after her. She was a dynamic gem. I’ll always vote for the most conservative.
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