Posted on 09/06/2020 7:05:28 PM PDT by Jayster
From the Video:
BTW. FAST forward to 1:00
There was a trap placed in the 14th Amendment which reanimates during times of rebellion in order to prevent another Civil War.
Sec 2 strips voting rights and the ability to be counted towards the Census for those involved in the rebellion. Hence, if a rebellion large enough, a State could stand to lose Congressional Seats.
An interesting thought.
Reasonable to pursue.
Yeah, doing that will totally not start a civil war ... not that one isn’t already started.
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I am not signing up for a You Tube account to watch a video.
“not that one isn’t already started”.
Random, isolated cases of violence and murder do not constitute a Civil War. A Civil War is widespread and involves many millions of participants and 10’s of Thousands dead.
What we are witnessing is a Liberal Temper Tantrum and attempt to intimidate the general public into voluntarily capitulating to their demands that we remake American Society into a Socialist/Marxist society with little resistance and above all not reelect Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is the single greatest threat to their Socialist/Marxist dreams. Yet, they do not have anything close to widespread support. But, they have enough support that they are a threat to civil society and must be dealt with. Preferably, very harshly.
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Do you really think any of the corrupt judges we have today would enforce those sections of the 14th amendment
Yes we are experiencing unconventional warfare and asymmetrical attacks.
First,there would have to be some sort of declaration about the rioters being in rebellion. I can’t imagine what that would look like whether it be a presidential EO or a congressional resolution or bill passed as law. The Constitution doesn’t say. Then identifying them. Probably easy enough today. Then are there enough to swing an apportionment?
The trump judges probably would; the few remaining Reagan judges might. Few, if any of the others.
Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
The number of Electors and Representatives in a State shall be reduced based on the number of people engaged in insurrection against the U.S.
Section 3
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Any Senator, Representative, Elector, or civilian/military officeholder who provides aid and comfort to those engaged in insurrections or rebellions against the Constitution can no longer hold that office.
Section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
The Federal government cannot be held liable for remunerations for incidents incurred during insurrection. Federal government also cannot be held responsible for reparations paid to former slaves.
There's a lot of meat in this video and it's definitely worth 8 1/2 minutes.
Sorry, but this doesn’t pass the constitutional laugh test. That clause was intended as a response to full scale organized and armed rebellion against the United States by entire states. Moving on.
Very interesting.
Listened. Yes. Barr should hit this HARD.
Chanting “Death to America” and assaulting Federal and other governmental buildings could easily be interpreted as insurrection or rebellion. Particularly if there was coordination and organization involved. I wouldn’t so quickly dismiss this out-of-hand.
No, it couldn’t. Let’s try to keep one foot in the real world. Being obnoxious and stupid in the way you exercise your freedom of speech is not insurrection. Nor is rioting or run of the mill civil disorder. No court would ever accept any attempt to label what is going on as rebellion as defined by the Insurrection Act. If California passes an ordinance of secession and orders the National Guard to seize Federal property then we can have this conversation. But given some of the discussions on FR relating to the events of the 1860s I would assume quite a few FReepers to loudly affirm the right of any state to withdraw from the Union.
And I'm not one of those Freepers who believe states have a right to secede . I thought that argument had been settled in 1865.
” No court would ever accept any attempt to label what is going on as rebellion as defined by the Insurrection Act”
Wrong, the DC Circuit court would in a heartbeat! Especially if the person/persons on trial were republicans.
Furthermore, being obnoxious and stupid fits the standard operating procedure of that same court, Emmet Sullivan and his cohorts on the bench fit that description.
Finally, when you have demonrats/progressives in the Federal court system as we currently do then anything goes. Chief Justice John Roberts is a prime example.
The video is not talking about secession, it’s considering a means by which consequences can be constitutionally meted out against those engaged in insurrection. What we’re witnessing now is insurrections without consequences, leaving law-abiding citizens with few recourses short of matching violence with violence. The video presents an alternative to that spiral.
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