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Siege at Ruby Ridge: The Forgotten History of the ATF Shootout That Started a Militia Movement
Ammo.com ^ | 8/17/2020 | Sam Jacobs

Posted on 08/17/2020 8:41:24 AM PDT by ammodotcom

The Siege at Ruby Ridge is often considered a pivotal date in American history. The shootout between Randy Weaver and his family and federal agents on August 21, 1992, is one that kicked off the Constitutional Militia Movement and left America with a deep distrust of its leadership – in particular then-President George H.W. Bush and eventual President Bill Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno.

The short version is this: Randy Weaver and his wife Vicki moved with their four kids to the Idaho Panhandle, near the Canadian border, to escape what they thought was an increasingly corrupt world. The Weavers held racial separatist beliefs, but were not involved in any violent activity or rhetoric. They were peaceful Christians who simply wanted to be left alone.

Specifically for his beliefs, Randy Weaver was targeted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) in an entrapping “sting” operation designed to gain his cooperation as a snitch. When he refused to become a federal informant, he was charged with illegally selling firearms. Due to a miscommunication about his court date, the Marshal Service was brought in, who laid siege to his house and shot and killed his wife and 14-year-old son.

Randy Weaver was, in many ways, a typical American story. He grew up in an Iowa farming community. He got decent grades in high school and played football. His family attended church regularly. He dropped out of community college and joined the United States Army in 1970. After three years of service, he was honorably discharged.

One month later he married Victoria Jordison. He then enrolled in the University of Northern Iowa, studying criminal justice with an eye toward becoming an FBI Agent. However, he dropped out because the tuition was too expensive. He ended up working in a John Deere plant while his wife worked as a secretary before becoming a homemaker.

Both of the Weavers increasingly became apocalyptic in their view of the world. This, combined with an increasing emphasis on Old Testament-based Christianity, led them to seek a life away from mainstream America, a life of self-reliance. Vicki, in particular, had strong visions of her family surviving the apocalypse through life far away from what they viewed as a corrupt world. To that end, Randy purchased a 20-acre farm in Ruby Ridge, ID, and built a cabin there.

The land was purchased for $5,000 in cash and the trade of the truck they used to move there. Vicki homeschooled the children.

The Weavers Move to Ruby Ridge

After moving to Ruby Ridge, Weaver became acquainted with members of the Aryan Nations in nearby Hayden Lake. He even attended some rallies. The FBI believed his involvement in the church was much deeper than it actually was – they thought he was a regular congregant of the Aryan Nations and had attended the Aryan Nations World Congress.

Both Randy and Vicki were interviewed by the FBI in 1985, with Randy denying membership in the group, citing profound theological differences. Indeed, the Weavers (who had some points of agreement with the Aryan Nations, primarily about the importance of the Old Testament) mostly saw their affiliation with the Aryan Nations as a social outlet. Living off-grid, the nearby members of the Aryan Nations were neighbors in remote northern Idaho.

Later, in 1986, Randy was approached at a rally by undercover ATF informant Kenneth Faderley, who used a biker alter ego of Gus Magisono and was currently monitoring and investigating Weaver’s friend Frank Kumnick. Faderley introduced himself as an illegal firearms dealer from New Jersey. Randy later encountered Faderley at the World Congress of 1987. He skipped the next year’s Congress to run for county sheriff, an election that he lost.

The ATF claims that in 1989, Faderley purchased two illegally shortened shotguns from Randy Weaver. However, Weaver disputes this, saying that the shotguns he sold Faderley were entirely legal and were shortened after the fact. The notes from the case show that Faderley purchased the guns and showed Weaver where to shorten them, which would constitute illegal entrapment. What’s more, the government preyed on the destitute nature of the Weavers, who lived in a small cabin in the woods with no electricity or running water.

The real purpose of the investigation was not to grab Weaver, but to use him to infiltrate a group in Montana being organized by Charles Howarth. In November 1989, Weaver refused to introduce Faderley to Howarth, and Faderley was ordered by his handlers to have no further contact with Weaver.

Randy Weaver Refuses to Turn Snitch

In June 1990, Faderley’s cover was blown. It was then that the ATF reached out to Weaver, stating that they had evidence he was dealing illegal firearms. They told him they would drop all charges if he would agree to become their new informant regarding the investigation of the Aryan Nations groups in the area. Weaver refused.

To coerce him into changing his mind, the Feds staged a stunt where a broken down couple were at the side of the road. Weaver stopped to help them and was handcuffed, thrown face down in the snow and arrested. He had to post his home as bond. Still he refused to become a federal informant.

The irony of the federal government’s desire to obtain informants within the Aryan Nations is that different branches of federal law enforcement and intelligence gathering occupied five of the six key positions in the organization. This means that the Aryan Nations were effectively a government-run shop, with agents spying on each other to ensure the integrity of an investigation – into an organization almost entirely run by the federal government.

The government had an obsession with the Aryan Nations due to Robert Jay Matthews, who was a member of The Order, a terrorist organization including members of the Aryan Nations. The FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team burned Matthews alive inside his own home.

Due to his ongoing refusal to snitch, Weaver was then arrested in January 1991, on illegal firearms sales charges. These charges stemmed from Weaver’s earlier “sale” of two shortened shotguns to Faderley, the undercover ATF agent – a sale which the feds later admitted constituted illegal entrapment.

Weaver’s court date was set for February 19, 1991, then changed to the next day. Weaver, however, received notice that his court date was not until March 20. He missed his February court appearance and a bench warrant was issued for his arrest. The United States Marshals Service wanted to allow Weaver the chance to appear for what he thought was his court date, however, the United States Attorney’s Office sought a grand jury indictment on March 14th – six days before his notice said he was due in court.

Already skeptical of the Feds after their repeated strongarm tactics, both Randy and Vicki saw this as further evidence that Weaver would not receive a fair trial. They increasingly isolated themselves on their Ruby Ridge farm, vowing to fight rather than surrender peacefully.

During the standoff, a voluntary surrender date was negotiated with the Marshals Service for October 1991, but the United States Attorney’s Office refused the settlement. The Deputy Director of the Special Operations Group of the Marshals Service, using evidence obtained through surveillance, believed that the best course of action was to drop the indictment, issue a new one under seal, and use undercover agents to arrest Weaver, who presumably would have dropped his guard. This recommendation was again rejected.

Shooting the Weavers’ Dog: The Siege of Ruby Ridge Begins On August 21, 1992, six heavily armed, camouflaged U.S. Marshals went to the Weaver property with the purpose of reconnaissance. The Weavers’ dogs gave away the position of the Marshals, alerting their 14-year-old son Sammy and a 24-year-old friend of the family named Kevin Harris, who investigated what the dogs were barking at while armed.

Unsurprisingly, there are several accounts of how the shooting began.

The Weavers claim that the camouflaged Marshals fired first and refused to identify themselves. The Marshals claim that when they rose to identify themselves, they were fired on by Sammy Weaver and Kevin Harris. In yet another version of events, Marshals shot the Weavers’ dog Striker as he exposed their position and were fired upon by Sammy in retaliation.

Once the shooting began, Randy Weaver’s son, Sammy, was shot in the back by Marshals immediately after yelling, “I’m coming, dad!” as he ran back to the house. That is to say, he was fleeing the scene, not regrouping for another attack.

After this initial exchange, the FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team – sometimes disparagingly called the “Hostage Roasting Team,” due to their proclivity to burn down buildings – was called in to assess the situation.

Sniper and observer teams were deployed by the Hostage Rescue Team. A sniper aimed for an instant kill shot on Randy, but Randy moved at the last minute and the shot entered his shoulder, exiting through his armpit. He then fled back to the house from the shed where he had been viewing the body of his dead son.

A second shot missed Kevin Harris and hit Vicki in the head, who was holding their 10-month-old daughter at the time in her arms, a powerful image often invoked in the telling of the story. This same second shot hit Harris after exiting Vicki. An internal investigation found that the second shot was out of policy and that the failure to request surrender was “inexcusable.”

FBI Sniper Lon Horiuchi fired through a door without seeing who was on the other side of it – at people who were fleeing and posed no threat. He was later charged with manslaughter in these deaths, but the charges were dropped. Horiuchi was also involved in the Waco siege, and Timothy McVeigh printed up cards for gun shows encouraging people to target him. Indeed, McVeigh considered targeting Horiuchi and his family rather than the federal building. In 1995, he pleaded the Fifth when questioned about the matter by the United States Senate. His whereabouts are currently unknown.

The rules of engagement were changed on the fly to effectively encourage shooting anyone on sight. This included the remaining Weaver children, who were known to carry weapons 81 percent of the time. Once the siege began, none of the Weavers fired a shot.

The standoff lasted ten days, and involved between 350 and 400 agents who cruelly named their camp, “Camp Vicki.” They would routinely call out “Vicki, we have blueberry pancakes,” but claimed to not know that she was dead. Supporters of the Weavers and opponents of the ATF and FBI formed a vigil.

Weaver’s commanding officer from Vietnam, James “Bo” Gritz (who was currently running for President on the Populist Party ticket) acted as a mediator between the family and government agents. Radio broadcaster Paul Harvey intervened, offering to pay for a robust defense for Weaver if he surrendered. This was what led Weaver to abandon the standoff and surrender himself to federal authorities.

The Aftermath and Justice for the Weavers

Weaver was charged with ten counts, including the original charges, of illegal firearms sales. His attorney, Gerry Spence, successfully defended Weaver against a host of charges, including murder, by using a self-defense argument. Weaver was ultimately only convicted of the charge of failure to appear, for which he was sentenced to 18 months in prison and a fine of $10,000. He was credited with time served plus three months. Kevin Harris was acquitted of all charges. These were the longest deliberations in Idaho criminal history.

Weaver sued the federal government, which avoided a civil trial by awarding damages of $1,000,000 each to the three surviving Weaver children and $100,000 to Randy. Harris eventually received a settlement of $380,000 after several years of appeals against a government who claimed they would never issue any payment to someone who had killed a federal marshal.

In 1996, Weaver offered his services to defuse tensions between the FBI and the Montana Freemen, however, this offer was declined. In 2000, Weaver visited the former site of the Branch Davidian Church that had been destroyed in another high-profile siege in Waco, Texas. He later offered support to Edward and Elaine Brown, who were resisting federal taxes at the time.

Randy and his daughter Sara wrote a book about the events in 1998 entitled The Federal Siege at Ruby Ridge. The family now live in Kalispell, Montana. Sara became a Born Again Christian in 2012, and forgave the federal agents.

Idaho v. Horiuchi: The Case Against the FBI Sniper

Attorney General from 1991 to 1993, William Barr was responsible for both the U.S. Marshals Service and the FBI during the seige at Ruby Ridge. But it wasn't until after leaving office that Barr did the most damage. In 1997, brave Idaho Prosecutor Denise Woodbury charged Lon Horiuchi – the FBI sniper who fatally shot Vicki Weaver – with involuntary manslaughter. The case was dismissed, but was eventually reversed by the Ninth Circuit, which held that the case could stand trial. By now, enough time had gone by that Woodbury got defeated in the 2000 election, and Prosecutor Brett Benson was now on the case.

It was during this time that Barr worked pro-bono, behind the scenes, to seek immunity for Horiuchi. He organized former attorney generals and others to help defend Horiuchi, and he helped frame legal documents in their appeal to the Ninth Circuit. Barr's attempt was a success, and Prosecutor Benson dismissed all charges against Horiuchi. Benson later resigned due to charges of forgery and falsifying documents.

Horiuchi's case was dismissed on September 14, 2001. Special Prosecutor Stephen Yagman, who had been appointed by Woodbury to handle the case and was later fired by Benson, said of the final outcome: ''I could not disagree more with this decision than I do.''

Horiuchi went on to be promoted in the FBI, he never spent a day in jail, and he never missed a day's pay. William Barr went on to hold several posts within the Department of Justice and the CIA, and eventually became the Attorney General under President Donald Trump.

The U.S. Postal Inspection Service Investigates the FBI

Preferring not to use the FBI to investigate allegations against the bureau, the U.S. Senate requested that the U.S. Postal Inspection Service handle the internal investigation. The postal inspectors found that the federal government took active steps to cover their tracks after the Siege of Ruby Ridge. The chief of the bureau's Violent Crimes and Major Offenders Section eventually pled guilty to attempting to destroy all copies of the FBI’s internal report on the siege. Federal Judge Edward Lodge penned a lengthy list of misdeeds, including fabrication of evidence and refusing to comply with court orders.

In 1997, the Justice Department declined to prosecute senior FBI officials for covering up the details of the case. Two FBI agents were prosecuted, one served 18 months in prison for destruction of evidence and the other had the charges dismissed. The second-in-command of the FBI was demoted and three other agents were suspended.

There was, predictably, very little meaningful blowback on the United States Marshals Service or any other parts of the federal government. The Ruby Ridge Task Force delivered a highly redacted 542-page report. And the six marshals involved in the initial shootout were given the highest commendations awarded by the United States Marshal Service. Deval Patrick, then-Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights and later Governor of Massachusetts, found that federal agents had not used excessive force.

One of the biggest changes after the Siege of Ruby Ridge was a change in the rules of engagement. In October 1995, the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information ordered all federal agencies to standardize their rules of engagement, particularly as pertained to deadly force.

How It Could Have Gone: John Joe Gray

While it might be easy to take the cynical route and say that Ruby Ridge changed nothing (particularly in the wake of the Waco Siege, which took place a mere year after the Siege of Ruby Ridge), we have at least one example of the federal government admitting that it tread lightly to avoid another Ruby Ridge-like situation.

John Joe Gray is a sovereign citizen living on a 50-acre wooded ranch in Trinidad, Texas. During a traffic stop, he became involved in an altercation with Texas Trooper Jim Cleland. Cleland reached for a .357 in Gray’s car. His car was filled with anti-government literature, including pamphlets referencing bombing a bridge. After the altercation with the Trooper, he was charged with two felonies: taking a police officer’s weapon and assault on a public servant.

Gray promised to have no weapons while he was awaiting trial and posted bond. After the fact, a judge declared that his bond was insufficient. He then ordered Gray arrested. Henderson County Sheriff Ray Nutt stated that "This kook is not worth it. Ten of him is not worth going up there and getting one of my young deputies killed."

So how long did local, state and federal authorities allow Gray to hole up on his ranch without any kind of armed confrontation? Just a few days shy of 15 years, in what was the longest law enforcement standoff in American history.

The charges were eventually dropped, under the premise that Gray had essentially served a 15-year house arrest term and that a militant confrontation in the style of Ruby Ridge didn’t benefit anyone.

While Randy Weaver’s stand might have made the Feds think twice about coming in guns blazing the next time they can’t strongarm someone – with an eccentric lifestyle and unusual beliefs – into turning informant, this is likely cold comfort for Weaver who lost his 14-year-old son and wife.

This is why those in the freedom, patriot, Constitutional, survival and Second Amendment movements remember this day. It is a chilling reminder of the predatory and aggressive nature of federal law enforcement.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; barr; billbarr; blogpimp; fbi; fbisnipers; horiuchi; idaho; militia; randyweaver; rubyridge; shootout; snipers; texas; waco; weaver; williambarr
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To: ammodotcom

who were known to carry weapons 81 percent of the time.
= = =

Just how did they calculate this number?

Did they measure
19.44 hours per day
or 5.67 days per week
or 9.72 months per year???

Or was it just unknown what they did the other 19 percent of the time.

Or maybe they carried weapons till they were killed, and not after that?


21 posted on 08/17/2020 9:30:32 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (This is not /s. It is just as viable as any MSM 'information', maybe more so!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

I’m not familiar enough with the case to comment on it.

I do remember some stuff when it was occurring.


22 posted on 08/17/2020 9:38:16 AM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply.)
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To: ammodotcom

Thank you for not editing out Barr’s role.
He’s worse than bathroom trash.


23 posted on 08/17/2020 9:46:40 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd [PBUH---Pigblood be upon him]; Charles Martel for President)
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To: ammodotcom

There was actually a very good TV movie, with Randy Quaid & Laura Dern

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117523/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_64

Surprisingly it was very sympathetic to the Weavers. You would never see something like that out of Hollywood today.


24 posted on 08/17/2020 9:58:16 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: ammodotcom

Horiuchi got promoted and a commendation.
He should have been hanged.


25 posted on 08/17/2020 9:59:46 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Molon Labe' Baby, Molon Labe)
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To: ammodotcom

A shocking abuse of power and unprovoked government violence against American citizens.

The disaster led the feds to double down on the Branch Davidian approach - which became an even worse disaster.

But none of the feds were ever held accountable for either of these travesties.


26 posted on 08/17/2020 10:11:23 AM PDT by karnage
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To: karnage

Gerry Spence has a great book about Rudy Ridge....I big MSN lie..

The feds paid a few million but no one went to jail for murder..

There two kids went hunting and the dog went after the feds hinding in the woods..

They shot the dog and one of the kids


27 posted on 08/17/2020 10:16:41 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: ammodotcom
A detailed treatment of this case is to be found here: Ruby Ridge: The Truth and Tragedy of the Randy Weaver Family. Highly recommended.

Horiuchi wasn't the only sniper - there were eleven of them, but only he was crazy enough to take a shot under those outrageously unconstitutional rules of engagement. Weaver was described erroneously as a PTSD victim Vietnam veteran who had booby traps, explosives, and automatic weapons on the property and had shot at a news helicopter. None of that was true. Stupid waste of life.

28 posted on 08/17/2020 10:17:23 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ammodotcom
Attorney General from 1991 to 1993, William Barr was responsible for both the U.S. Marshals Service and the FBI during the seige at Ruby Ridge.

Bagpipes was on it.™
29 posted on 08/17/2020 10:27:02 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: sauropod

“Thank you for posting this. I have not forgotten.

Not this, nor Waco, nor what happened to the Bundys and Finicum.”

You got that right mate! Those incidents and god knows how many other lesser known cases. I am not aware of any such murders of innocent civilians prior to RR. In recent years these federal law enforcement agencies must be hiring some real homicidal fiends. Hope the indians don’t think they are the only ones f?%&$@ by the federal (Union) government!


30 posted on 08/17/2020 10:43:26 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Highest Authority

“Where did Horiuchi disappear to”

H-S Precision Rifles.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/what-the-hells-the-problem-with-troy-industries/

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/lon-horiuchi-a-spokesperson-for-hs-precision.408890/

https://hsprecision.com/


31 posted on 08/17/2020 10:44:56 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: Scrambler Bob

“Just how did they calculate this number?

Did they measure
19.44 hours per day
or 5.67 days per week
or 9.72 months per year???

Or was it just unknown what they did the other 19 percent of the time.

Or maybe they carried weapons till they were killed, and not after that?”

I’m 96% sure that 98% of statistics are made up on the spot.


32 posted on 08/17/2020 12:32:33 PM PDT by suthener
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To: Bonemaker

“In recent years these federal law enforcement agencies must be hiring some real homicidal fiends. “

I went to the FBI Citizens’ Academy a few years ago, I got in a heated debate with an agent (who was also a lawyer) about a shoot/don’t shoot scenario. I’ve spent time in law enforcement; I know the laws on justifiable police shootings. The agent said he would have shot the guy way, way before it was justified. I told him he was looking at from a standpoint of knowing what was going to happen. It got heated, but I know I was right. If you look at the below video the agent said he would have shot when the guy first started acting crazy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1150706/WARNING-GRAPHIC-Police-officer-shot-dead-Vietnam-veteran.html


33 posted on 08/17/2020 12:42:55 PM PDT by suthener
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To: Hojczyk

The whole thing was appalling.

The shotgun thing was borderline entrapment from the start.

The barrel was less than 1/16 of an inch too short.

It was a setup.

And then it became a series of murders under cover of authority.


34 posted on 08/17/2020 4:22:37 PM PDT by karnage
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To: ammodotcom

Bkmrk


35 posted on 08/17/2020 8:59:55 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: treetopsandroofs

Thank you for pointing that out, we didn’t mean to underserve Mr. Weaver by omitting that distinction.


36 posted on 08/18/2020 3:20:49 PM PDT by ammodotcom
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To: ammodotcom

Cold blooded murder by the FBI.

L


37 posted on 08/18/2020 3:24:02 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: DCBryan1

You should have shot his murdering ass on the spot.

L


38 posted on 08/18/2020 3:26:32 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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