Posted on 08/08/2020 9:47:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Question: Was it immoral to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Yesterday, August 6th, the world commemorated the 75th anniversary of America dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, thus commencing the “atomic age.” Seventy-five years later, the debate still rages on whether it was immoral for President Truman to authorize the use of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and then a second atomic bomb on Nagasaki three days later.
I believe that President Truman made the right decision, the moral decision and one that stands moral scrutiny and the test of history.
To properly evaluate the decision to “drop the bomb,” several critical factors must be considered. First, the Japanese were feverishly preparing to defend their home islands with the same fanatical ferocity with which they had defended Saipan, Okinawa, and Iwo Jima.
The American invasion of Imperial Japan was scheduled to begin in October 1945. The soldiers, sailors, and airmen preparing for that invasion had been told to expect 50% casualties. In the interest of full disclosure, my father was one of those young sailors (he was 24) and his commanding officer had told him 50% casualties were expected as he was training to be part of the first wave hitting the beach. If we had invaded Japan, I would have had a 50% chance of not being here since I was conceived while my mother and father were having a second honeymoon in Texas six months after Japan’s surrender.
It was also estimated that it would take at least 18 months to subdue Japan, with 500,000 American casualties and five million Japanese casualties after a street-by-street, house-by-house, room-by-room conflict across the length and breadth of the country.
In other words, America would have lost more people dead than she had lost in the entire war up until then (approximately 410,000) in Europe and the Pacific combined. And Japan would have been more devastated than Germany was by the end of the war in Europe.
So, if you subtract the approximately 250,000 people killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki (including those who died within a year from the effects of radiation poisoning), you could argue that dropping the first atomic bombs saved about 500,000 American lives and 4.75 million Japanese lives.
Also, we now know from captured Japanese war files that the dropping of the first atomic bombs saved the lives of a very special group of Americans. The Japanese authorities were preparing to summarily execute the 23,000 American POWs still in Japanese hands in order to free their guards to focus on repelling the American invasion (38% of American POWs had already died from the cruelty and the barbarity of their captors). The executions were scheduled to begin on August 17, 1945, just 8 days after Nagasaki was bombed. If America had not dropped the atomic bombs when they did, these 23,000 American POWs (soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen) would have been executed.
So, who bears the moral responsibility for the deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The answer is the Japanese militarists who led their country to launch a sneak attack against the U.S. at Pearl Harbor in 1941. I am surprised in the still on-going discussions about moral responsibility that so few people take into account the fact that Japan attacked America, not the other way around.
In fact, I believe that if President Truman had not dropped the atomic bombs and thus ended the war, when the American people eventually discovered that so many of their loved ones (sons, fathers, husbands, brothers, uncles, nephews, etc.) had died during the bloody campaign to liberate Japan, they would have demanded the President’s impeachment and may have even demanded his trial for being responsible for the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of young Americans.
Second, the impact of the atomic bombs had a great peacemaking impact on the post-World War II world. Atomic bombs were used for the first and only time in August 1945.
Some revisionist historians have continued to argue that the U.S. did not have to drop the atomic bombs because Japan would have surrendered anyway, after the Soviet Union entered the war on August the 8th. It should be noted that the Soviets entered the war after we had dropped the atomic bomb, something which they had not previously chosen to do between VE Day (May 8th) and Hiroshima on August 6th.
Could it be that the decision to drop the bomb forced the Soviets to declare war against Japan sooner than they would have done otherwise, lest they not be able to take over Manchuria and the northern part of Korea after the war? If the Soviets had come into the war against Japan and we had not dropped the bomb, would they have demanded an occupation zone in Tokyo and in the Home Islands, modeled after the Allied partition of Germany and Berlin into Soviet and Allied zones? How different, and how much more sad, the history of post-war Japan would have been had it been divided into East and West like Germany.
And, as Chris Wallace makes clear in his riveting new book Countdown 1945, when Truman told Stalin about the atom bomb at the Pottsdam Conference in July 1945, Stalin surprised Truman by his mild response. Stalin was interested, but he wasn’t surprised. The Soviets had a spy, Klaus Fuchs, in Los Alamos feeding America’s deepest atomic secrets straight to Moscow. Wallace also reports, “A member of the Russian delegation heard Stalin and Foreign Minister … Molotov discuss it that night. Molotov said it was time to ‘speed things up’ in developing a Russian bomb’” (page 165).
Wallace then notes that in reality “The Twentieth Century’s Nuclear Arms race began” in Pottsdam “at 7:30 p.m., July 24, 1945,” thirteen days before Hiroshima. That fact pretty much destroys the argument that Hiroshima “started” the nuclear arms race. Generals like George Marshall argued vigorously for Truman’s decision to drop the bomb to end the war as rapidly as possible. Even Franklin Roosevelt’s widow, Eleanor, never accused of being a “hawk,” wrote President Truman on August 12, 1959, that “you could make no other decision than the one you made.”
On the 75th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima, should not we at least entertain the thought that the American discovery and use of nuclear weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki have in fact saved untold tens of millions more lives in the intervening years than the number of lives lost at those two cities in 1945.
The fact is World Wars I and II, both occurring in the first half of the 20th century, were the bloodiest wars in human history with tens of millions dead in both wars.
In contrast, at the end of World War II with the debut of nuclear weapons and the Cold War, the second half of the 20th century was comparatively mild in bloodshed. Why? Could it be that the answer is nuclear weapons? If it were not for nuclear weapons and the Doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction, we would have gotten into a war with Russia over Berlin and with China over Korea, seeking to keep the Communists from extending their control over Western Europe and all of Asia. Tens of millions across the globe would have died in such conventional wars. The threat of nuclear weapons has made conflagrations like the two world wars virtually unimaginable.
It must be acknowledged that this human calculus could all change in a moment of miscalculation between the Indians and the Pakistanis on the Indian subcontinent. Still, at this point, 75 years after Hiroshima, nuclear weapons have saved tens of millions more lives than the lives lost at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
However, it must be conceded that 75 years after Hiroshima, nuclear weapons have had an enormous “peacemaking” impact on the post-World War II world.
I, as a baby boomer American along with millions of my generational cohort, would have spent significant portions of our youth and early adulthood in uniforms in far flung places in many cases sacrificing our lives to defeat the global totalitarian ambitions of the Soviets and the Communist Chinese. Since we had nuclear weapons guaranteeing Mutually Assured Destruction, we were spared that fate. And for that I, and I suspect many of my generational cohort, are profoundly grateful.
Thank you, President Truman!
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Dr. Richard Land, BA (magna cum laude), Princeton; D.Phil. Oxford; and Th.M., New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, was president of the Southern Baptists’ Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission (1988-2013) and has served since 2013 as president of Southern Evangelical Seminary in Charlotte, NC. Dr. Land has been teaching, writing, and speaking on moral and ethical issues for the last half century in addition to pastoring several churches.
My DILs parents also were there.
This is the money quote.
Once civilians are accepted as a legitimate target, any argument of how their demise is brought about is a waste of time.
Wrong question.
Was it wrong NOT to drop the bomb on the democrat party.
No...there is no morality in war.
No...there is no morality in war.
“I don’t care what all these words say.... My FIL was a first lieutenant on a ship headed for Japan.... He was to be in the first wave in the invasion... Then the bombs were dropped.... My ex wife and my children would not exist if not for the bombombs.. I cannot be convinced otherwise”
my father joined the navy when he turned 18 right at the end of the war, so little doubt he would have been sent as part of the invasion of Japan, and i might not be here today if the bombs hadn’t ended the war when they did ...
The short answer is NO.
It would have been immoral not to
https://www.americanheritage.com/biggest-decision-why-we-had-drop-atomic-bomb#1
For all your sophistry, you do not make clear what your judgement is on the morality and wisdom of dropping the bombs.
Please enlighten us.
Three words: Iwo Jima, Okinawa.
If a decision about dropping atomic bombs on Japan in 1945 is vindicated by the existence and well-being of specific Americans in 2020, then what about all the people who don’t exist in 2020 because of military decisions that cost AMERICAN lives in World War II? Does your life matter more than, say, the hypothetical grandson of a U.S. Marine who lost his life in the Battle or Okinawa, Iwo Jima, etc.? For that matter, why don’t we go back and ask the same question about the morality of the Battle of Gettysburg, or even the American Revolution?
i’ve met MANY other asses who were from the Greatest Generation who were soldiers in WWII who told me the same thing about their survival vis-a-vis the bomb obviating the necessity of them having to invade Japan, given that estimates were that a million additional U.S. casualties were expected from such an invasion ...
The United States was going to defeat Japan by simply burning it to the ground, the ethics of the act be damned and arguing about whether atomic bombs were justified is nothing more than a distraction. People were burned to death for months before these bombs were dropped and how that could be acceptable because conventional weapons were used is simply absurd.
Answer: No. My father was on Okinawa. My uncle died there. Dad faced going into Japan, until the bomb was dropped.
What’s your point cap? It was total war. Atomic solution or otherwise.
Is any aspect of war moral?
Morality isn’t the real issue - FReedom is the issue and anything that furthers FReedom is moral.
The question is like asking if it would be moral to enforce the laws of the land and tout the anarchists out...I vote yes.
“Science has no moral code—unlike religion...we shouldn’t have used it on a city-—the first one should have been on a military site...” [Forward the Light Brigade, posts 101, 102, 103]
You are arguing in favor of a targeting scheme that did not exist in Japan at the time.
There were no cities without military targets.
There were no “pure” military targets away from cities, save a small number of subterranean manufacturing and storage facilities - which the Allies did know of until after the war. Air reconnaissance had limitations.
“...As it was, the bombing of Japan required two very specially modified Boeing B-29 Superfortress bombers that were modified and tested at the last minute. [Robert357, post 111]
An incorrect statement.
Every B-29 assigned to 509CG was modified to carry and drop special weapons. They were modified in the USA, in some cases months earlier.
I get this.
My point is with the revisionists who engage in various contortions to try to make the case that the bombing campaign against Japan was one where the US simply had no other choice than to target population centers, or that the destruction caused to the population centers was actually unintended. It was clear that before the Americans even entered the war that we considered the Japanese civilians a fair target, and that we were simply going ignore the principles of just war that the West had embraced for centuries.
(It was those "Japs" and "Krauts" who committed the war crimes, you see. And the idea that the American citizen-soldier who fought in WWII was just as capable of committing murder on a large scale is just too much for some to handle.)
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