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Coronavirus: Why everyone was wrong
Back to Reason ^ | July 1, 2020 | Beda M. Stadler

Posted on 07/08/2020 7:39:10 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal

Why everyone was wrong The coronavirus is slowly retreating. What actually happened in the past few weeks? The experts have missed basic connections. The immune response against the virus is much stronger than we thought.

By Beda M Stadler

This is not an accusation, but a ruthless taking stock [of the current situation]. I could slap myself, because I looked at Sars-CoV2- way too long with panic. I am also somewhat annoyed with many of my immunology colleagues who so far have left the discussion about Covid-19 to virologist and epidemiologist. I feel it is time to criticise some of the main and completely wrong public statements about this virus.

Firstly, it was wrong to claim that this virus was novel. Secondly, It was even more wrong to claim that the population would not already have some immunity against this virus. Thirdly, it was the crowning of stupidity to claim that someone could have Covid-19 without any symptoms at all or even to pass the disease along without showing any symptoms whatsoever.

But let’s look at this one by one.

(Excerpt) Read more at medium.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: anthonyfauci; bedamstadler; coronavirus; panic; panicporn; panicpornstars
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This article is by an erstwhile colleague of Dr. Fauci, Swiss immunologist Beda Stadler. He doesn't see the situation the way that Fauci does. Truth be told, I'm not even certain that Fauci sees the situation as he says he does. In my view, there's a lot of political gamemanship underway.

I checked and failed to find this posted here. My apologies if I missed it.

1 posted on 07/08/2020 7:39:10 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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The CDC and NIH are STILL dead on their collective “scientific” ass.

Defund them, they are of no positive value.


2 posted on 07/08/2020 7:40:43 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Not everyone. I pegged this from the git go.


3 posted on 07/08/2020 7:41:30 PM PDT by HighSierra5
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Scientism not science. Too much authority and prominence is given to scientists when they use bad or incomplete science. A 5 year old could have told them in March they had too little data (and not peer reviewed or repeatable)to make such blanket statements at 1 million people could die, or we can beat this with isolation tactics alone, we don’t need to close our borders, etc.


4 posted on 07/08/2020 7:42:42 PM PDT by EdgeOfDarkness
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To: definitelynotaliberal

It is about power to control the populace with fear tactics and power to do so.


5 posted on 07/08/2020 7:43:04 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure)
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To: EdgeOfDarkness

Hubris and bad science trump mitigation every time! If they are so wrong/right/unsure on climate change after 30 years of research, how can they be certain after only 6 months? I don’t trust them.


6 posted on 07/08/2020 7:45:10 PM PDT by EdgeOfDarkness
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Firstly, it was wrong to claim that this virus was novel. Secondly, It was even more wrong to claim that the population would not already have some immunity against this virus. Thirdly, it was the crowning of stupidity to claim that someone could have Covid-19 without any symptoms at all or even to pass the disease along without showing any symptoms whatsoever.

7 posted on 07/08/2020 7:47:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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That wasn’t science, but pure speculation based on a gut feeling that was then parroted by everyone.

Sums the whole thing up.

8 posted on 07/08/2020 7:53:51 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: definitelynotaliberal
from #1 in the article:

"So: Sars-Cov-2 isn’t all that new, but merely a seasonal cold virus that mutated and disappears in summer, as all cold viri do — which is what we’re observing globally right now."

It was 95-100 degrees in Inda and Saudi Arabia in April(their spring time)and their COVID count was going thru the roof.
How do they account for that? get to claim it both ways ?
9 posted on 07/08/2020 7:58:30 PM PDT by stylin19a ( 2016 - Best.Election.Of.All.Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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“34 % of people in Berlin who had never been in contact with the Sars-CoV-2 virus showed nonetheless T-cell immunity against it... This means that our T-cells, i.e. white blood cells, detect common structures appearing on Sars-CoV-2 and regular cold viri and therefore combat both of them.”


10 posted on 07/08/2020 8:01:47 PM PDT by BeauBo
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Bottom Line of the Article: “To get on top of the pandemic, we need a strategy merely concentrating on the protection of at-risk people over 65. If that’s the opinion of a top expert, a second lockdown is simply a no-go.”


11 posted on 07/08/2020 8:11:09 PM PDT by BeauBo
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The whole affair has me wondering how long the seasonal flu has been made in China.


12 posted on 07/08/2020 8:18:34 PM PDT by thoughtomator (here comes the switch to Hillary)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Great article

Thanks


13 posted on 07/08/2020 8:22:59 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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It was 95-100 degrees in Inda and Saudi Arabia in April(their spring time)and their COVID count was going thru the roof. How do they account for that? get to claim it both ways ?

Finish reading the article.

The test used to detect the virus are so sensitive that they can detect fragments of virus still present in the blood.

Those tested may have had the disease months ago.

They keep testing people that they haven’t tested before and detect people that no longer have the disease but have fragments in their blood.

The article also points out that since COVID is related to SARS and the common cold that false positives could be due to someone having the other viruses.

Having had the other viruses could also confer some immunity to COVID.

14 posted on 07/08/2020 8:31:39 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Good article.

It’s frustrating because it is so irrational what people think and do and force upon us.


15 posted on 07/08/2020 8:44:06 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

I still rely on the cruise ship as the model for the virus. I think it still holds up in general 80% nothing. (immune?) 20% sick. 2% die of which most were over 60.


16 posted on 07/08/2020 8:56:33 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Excellent find. Thank you!


17 posted on 07/08/2020 9:31:46 PM PDT by Dragonfly
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To: kvanbrunt2

With the cruise ships we started out doing it the proven right way; we quarantined the sick and exposed and when they were through it they went home and the rest of us continued our daily lives. Then, the WHO and certain “experts” declared it to be a pandemic and we all had to lock down, to “flatten” the curve. Instead of developing herd immunity, they pumped out obviously BS propaganda of 2 million dying which spooked the non-thinking, non-critical herd and now half the country is still walking around with face panties or cowering in fear. Well’s War of the Worlds broadcast was just a quick prelude of how easy it is to scare the rabble.


18 posted on 07/08/2020 9:49:58 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: stylin19a
"It was 95-100 degrees in Inda and Saudi Arabia in April(their spring time)and their COVID count was going thru the roof."

A helpful Freeper posted a link to an article recently that proposed that the actual mechanism that reduces viruses in summer is humidity and not temperature. I believe that summer in Saudi Arabia is probably very dry. Perhaps not the case in India; I don't know.

The paper I read used the word "sedimentation" to describe the idea that infectious droplets exhaled by an infected person could last longer in the air in less humid conditions. High humidity would preserve the size of exhaled droplets or possibly enlarge them. The larger, heavier droplets then settle quickly to the ground.

If low humidity causes droplets to decrease in size, this apparently allows them to stay suspended in the air for much longer and raises the chances of infecting a nearby person.

19 posted on 07/08/2020 10:26:38 PM PDT by William Tell
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Houston is one of the most humid places, in the country...and, is (reportedly) having a huge summer spike.

Lots of outdoor protesting, a few weeks ago.


20 posted on 07/08/2020 10:30:04 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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