Q Anon: 06/30/20 Trust Trump's Plan ~ Vol.263, Q Day 977

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Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi on Covid-19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExrrJIcOZ90

(prior video on Twitter taken down)

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so if I could just get you both to say
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your names and give me a little bit
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about your background my name is Dan
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Eriksson an emergency trained physician
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I got my Health Sciences degree from La
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Sierra University I went to Western
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University for a medical school and we
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trained locally at the county and a
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four-year emergency program and then
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we’ve been in the county for about 15
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years working in different hospitals and
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and building our business my name is art
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Massey he I did undergraduate at
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University of California Irvine and
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medical school at Loma Linda University
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School of Medicine I did an internship
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in general surgery at the University of
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Southern California and I did my read
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three year residency after that at
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current medical center which I completed
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in 2008 and since 2012 from 2008 to 2012
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we worked in the urgent cares and
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emergency rooms locally and we opened up
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our businesses in 2012 which we’ve
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managed and worked in for the past eight
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years
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you guys recently held a press
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conference on April 22nd what led to
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your deciding to do that well initially
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when you have a novel or a new virus
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here you’re trying to decide how to
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respond to it so we obviously took the
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leadership from our president and from
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dr. Falchi they said we need the
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community to shelter in place and we
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need we need people to take measures
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like social distancing which we did we
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need to embrace PPE which we did so we
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got a significant number of supplies and
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we got n95 masks for our staff we set up
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coded testing center at our larger
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facility and we really got in line with
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everything that was being said to do the
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testing and why we figure out our
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approach so because it was a new virus
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you know we said let’s let’s gather data
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for a couple months let’s do let’s do
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testing initially criteria based testing
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fever cough shortness of breath and then
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that transition
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into testing all kinds of people for
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employers people coming in because they
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lived with a grandmother who was
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immune-compromised and they were
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concerned initially about six to eight
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weeks ago we decided to do coronavirus
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testing because we dr. Erickson had met
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with multiple CEOs and everybody wanted
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us to do the testing so we’re just like
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you know what we’re leaders in this
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community and this is kind of something
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we need to do so we we set aside 10,000
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square feet of our two-on-two Coffee
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Road location more of a community
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service and we’re and that’s why we were
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able to do so many tests and we’re known
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in the area for for doing the most tests
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because of that I think most folks think
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that because you’re in urgent care
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the only people that come in here are
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sick I have a fever and I have a cough
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can I get checked for coronavirus that’s
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the farthest thing from the truth a big
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big portion of our sample volume were
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healthy folks that were not concerned
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but their employer sent them in for
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testing these are folks that are random
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folks from the community that came here
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for testing they have no symptoms no
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concerns I saw many of them so did dr.
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Erickson I said why are you here oh just
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that my boss is forcing me I need to get
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tested you have any symptoms no I feel
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fine so our our sample distribution and
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demographic is is representative but I
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think that’s why folks think that it’s
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not because it’s an urgent care and only
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sick people come into the nursing care
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and that’s not true so we really started
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loosening up our testing probably three
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to four weeks ago where we were
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our testing was much more randomized at
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that point and to date we’ve done a
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little over six thousand tests with
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about four hundred and fifty positives
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this is a this is a PCR test it’s a
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nasal swab it’s a moment in time that
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shows that a patient is positive or
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negative we just recently started doing
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antibody testing our plan was to do a
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small press release for our community
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there’s about nine hundred thousand
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people in Kern County and we said let’s
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just do a press release saying at this
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moment in time
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we’re showing at that time was 4.5%
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currently at 7.3 percent of a moment in
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time out of our 6100 tests that our PC
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our nasal swabs 7.3% are positive we
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weren’t necessarily extrapolating
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although we did sort of say if if this
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is an accurate sample then then we’ve
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got quite a few more cases in Kern
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County than we had anticipated the
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hospital released some data today in the
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hospital today there is 14 cases of
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kovat out of 900,000 people and there’s
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three people on ventilators per their
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public data so when you talk about an
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overwhelming COBIT illness in Kern
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County we do not have that it was quite
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a shock to see that your video which was
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after all just raw footage of a press
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conference posted by a local ABC
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affiliate that that it had been taken
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down last night by YouTube for
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quote-unquote violating community
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standards did you receive more detail
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about what standards you allegedly
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violated or or this video allegedly
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violated no we we don’t really know
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exactly why they they took it down i I
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really our focus honestly really has
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been about what can we do to get the
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country back on track because the the
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social media side of this is not the big
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issue the big issue is people suffering
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we have I have patients texting me about
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you know anxiety medications I’m out of
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work we don’t have any money
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the the collateral damage of the kovat
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is causing increasing pain in our Kern
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County area so that’s really what we
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want to speak about is the collateral
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damage because in Kern County the
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collateral damage appears more
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significant than the damage being caused
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by the actual disease of kovat which is
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a viral illness causing similar to a flu
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type outbreak in Kern County so your
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position
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is in line with a great number of
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epidemiologists and doctors worldwide
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including three we’ve interviewed on
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this channel Johnny and Edie is Newt
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with Kowski and David Katz
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you know the response that you got from
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the the American College of Emergency
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Physicians in the american academy of
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emergency medicine these were very
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extreme responses i mean can you from a
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lay person’s perspective it would seem
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to me that the science ought to be open
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and questioning and a nope
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you know subject to evolution and yet
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you guys are being sort of clamped down
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on
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pretty hard I mean you have a sense of
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why you’re getting the reaction you’re
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getting from some quarters we have ended
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and I think what’s important is I’m
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actually interestingly a part of the
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American Academy of emergency medicine
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I’m board-certified from through
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emergency medicine and when I saw what
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they had written this morning I was
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shocked
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because my standpoint is you know as an
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emergency physician or our standpoint is
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if you disagree with our numbers okay
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let’s let’s analyze the numbers but to
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attack us and say we have a financial
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gain from this it just seems like
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there’s a lot of anger and hatred which
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is not really warranted so it didn’t
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doesn’t make much sense to us and it’s
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interesting because I spoke to another
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physician this morning and he said I
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mean he’s I don’t want to name him but
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he’s linked to a world-renowned
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institution he said he’s he’s never been
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this vilified in his life he says I’ve
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you know had debates and we’ve disagreed
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on certain results with different
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scientists or the what these results
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mean but you know the the amount of the
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reaction was extremely surprising a
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colleague a physician to a physician
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doesn’t react that way if you’re if our
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data
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if you think our data is flawed let’s
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discuss it but to have that kind of
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anger was I thought kind of unwarranted
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so you’re being accused of bias based on
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your desire to open up your care centers
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to other kinds of patience and for your
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political views are there good reasons
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to believe that you’re not falling prey
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to confirmation bias
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I’ve spoken with other emergency room
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doctors and I did an interview on dr.
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lang yesterday from Wisconsin and I said
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dr. lang what is your viewpoint and my
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full zoom interview is posted on our
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website if people would like to see it I
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said what are you seeing at your
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hospitals he said decreasing hours he
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said what I’m seeing is patients are not
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coming in for significant issues such as
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chest pain he said for instance two days
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ago a man had chest pain wanted to come
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to the ER but he was concerned about
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getting kovat he stayed home he was
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having heart attack and had had
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significant problems afterwards for not
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coming in soon enough and he said I have
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many cases like this of abdominal pain
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won’t come in and and something much
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worse is happening and they just were
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afraid to come in because of kovat so
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this fear and and this is not a one-off
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testimony I’ve talked to other doctors
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but this that’s the only one I have on
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record who have told me the ER where I’m
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at is the census is low patients are not
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coming in for things they should have
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our Hospital is fairly empty another
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physician I talked to is a
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board-certified orthopedic surgeon out
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of Texas and I said how’s it going he
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said well I did a case a few weeks ago
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that they considered non-essential and I
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got a letter stating that if I do any
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more cases I could be fined and or
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imprisoned for helping people with a
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limb that was non-functional because
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that was considered non-essential so
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when we see this kind of thing start
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happening time and time again we have to
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ask ourselves is the collateral damage a
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COBIT indeed worse than a coab envira
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itself so when people say there’s
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financial gain I just gave you two
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examples of people who don’t have
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businesses who work in the system and
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who are saying this is bad for patients
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and it’s bad for our surgical
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city for instance if you’ve furloughed
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doctors and nurses add as you guys know
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this is public knowledge many hospitals
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have how do you handle a second wave I
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called our hospitals today and they said
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we have plenty of capacity we’re we’re
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ready for a surge absolutely but if you
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furloughed nurses and doctors and we get
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a second wave we’re unable to adequately
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staff so that’s my answer to your
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question so this all started as a way to
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you know help this community that’s been
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so amazing to us for the past 15 years
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we’re you know combined 30 years we
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trained here we have lots of friends
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here and so everything that that we’ve
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done and everything that we continue to
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do is for the community obviously if we
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see more patients we have to get paid
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for the patient but that’s not our
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motive and I want to get that out there
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and eyes although our volumes are lower
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we’re still doing fine we’re not we’re
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doing better than almost anybody in the
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community which were very blessed about
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so that to me doesn’t make any sense I
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honestly don’t appreciate you know the
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American Academy and some of these other
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emergency of organizations stating these
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things about us because I think it’s
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it’s it’s it’s a little unwarranted and
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inappropriate one of your critics was a
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guy by the name of dr. Karl Bergstrom
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from the University of Washington and he
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says it’s been it’s been a huge surprise
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for all of us doing infectious disease
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epidemiology it’s amazing to have to
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deal with this misinformation that’s
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being spread around for political
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purposes and the ways that that
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interferes with adequate Public Health
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response I just want to clarify again I
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mean what do you think he means by
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political purposes and do you have any
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political purposes no no we don’t and
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we’re not psychiatrist I don’t want to
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psychoanalyze another person’s viewpoint
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our role and I’m going to keep coming
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back to this is to point to the experts
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both in the United States and in Sweden
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and say the epidemiologists are telling
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us that when they review the data as
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they do every year
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they’re reckon
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a different course and Sweden has taken
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a different course and it’s had a pretty
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good outcome is there something we can
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learn from that because there’s always
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going to be dissenting opinions and it’s
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not I don’t think it’s necessarily
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prudent to go back and forth what is
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prudent is the same moving forward how
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do we get the country back on track how
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do we keep Kovac patients helpful how do
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we protect our hospitals and make sure
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they’re ready for a surge capacity these
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are the issues we need to be answering
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and dealing with when you have something
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new like this you have to decide on your
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approach nobody had an exact plan for
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this so you you initially
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shelter-in-place use social distance you
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get PPE going and then you watch how the
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disease develops and we’re of course
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comparing it to seasonal flu and we’re
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seeing is it is it a lot different how
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is the death rate it seems to have
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spread more rapidly it has a little more
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of a respiratory component to it and
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then at this point we’ve so we released
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that press conference and now we’re
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consulting with epidemiologists
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specifically in Sweden and dr. pitrowski
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and dr. dr. Anders and dr. gazecki we
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are talking to the epidemiologist who
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have spent 35 years of their life to
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understand this process and we’re saying
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what is the best approach to take Sweden
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has taken a different approach than we
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have Sweden has said kids under 16 you
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can go to school people can come out of
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their house the restaurants are doing
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some social distancing and when they ask
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dr. Anders Technic would you do anything
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different now that you’ve watched the
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disease process for you know a few weeks
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he said not really he the only thing he
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would choose to change was he wanted to
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protect the elderly and they would have
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done a little more in that sector
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everything else he said our infection
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rate our hospitals our death radar
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tracking similar to societies like the
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United States that have done lockdown so
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and he did some recent interviews I was
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just watching before this interview and
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he’s
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you know we will know in the next months
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you know which which which technique was
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the best but he said for right now we’re
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very happy with our results and how
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we’re handling it
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they haven’t had massive collateral
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damage to their economy they’re their
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death rate per million is at 225 ours is
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at 175 and Italy in Spain are between
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450 and 500 so he’s saying we’re pretty
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pleased with the results and our
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technique so far and then when they
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asked dr. jisuk how much science is
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there to social distancing and to
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shelter in place and dr. G six answer
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was there’s virtually no data to show
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those are effective however there is
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data for hand-washing that is
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appropriate so we see these
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epidemiologists that have been doing
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this for decades you know he’s the chief
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he’s the chief of Epidemiology for the
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country of Sweden
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he’s an infectious disease doctor or was
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now retired so we’re saying let’s look
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at what the people who do this for a
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living are saying our data was a moment
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in time it was not made to you know
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necessarily make predictions about the
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country it was a moment in time where
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that’s what the press conference was for
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and now we’re pivoting towards let’s
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listen to the experts in the United
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States the epidemiologist like dr. Vitt
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Taos key who’s done this for 30 years
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he’s a biostatistician and he analyzes
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this kind of data for a living what does
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he say and if you watch I interviewed
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him yesterday and he really went over
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the fact that what we’re seeing now is
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is similar to us severe flu per per his
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words and I said do you agree with the
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Swedish model and he said I absolutely
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do so my question was how do you get
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back to work because that’s what we’re
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all interested in how do you get back so
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he said you got a you know you know open
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the school’s up to kids up to 16 get the
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school system moving see how see how
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that effect goes then you can slowly
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open restaurants in different
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monitoring the disease rate and the
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hospital rate because shelter-in-place
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was to keep our hospitals from getting
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overwhelmed I called two CEOs today of
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different massive Hospital chains and
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they told me our census is low and we
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are prepared for a second wave should it
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occur so census is low and we’re
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prepared for surge they all told me that
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so I think we’ve we’ve used and
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appropriately the shelter in place
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social distancing that was appropriate
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and now that we have some data and we’ve
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watched the disease curve sort of
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flatten out maybe it’s time now to be
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moving toward more of a Swedish model I
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was struck by what you all were saying
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about quarantine and it’s it’s unhelpful
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impacts could you just run over those
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with us what what have you either noted
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or what is your what are your fears
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there well I think most folks who are
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trained in immunology would would agree
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although these days you don’t know they
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may disagree but I think the if you stay
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home and you’re sheltering in place for
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prolonged periods of time your normal
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flora the bugs that keep us healthy the
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concentration of those do decrease and
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it’s that it’s the example we gave is of
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a baby when a baby is born for the first
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few months of life they have their
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immunodeficient and the reason is
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because they haven’t had enough contact
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with the outside world and so if they’re
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more likely to get opportunistic
19:33
infections so if we see a baby in the
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emergency room who has a fever then we
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do this huge workup on them because we
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want to make sure they don’t have
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meningitis bacteremia pneumonia all
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these different infections you know a
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urinary tract infection that’s caused
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causing this massive infection in them
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whereas if I you know if I evaluate you
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for fever and you’re young and healthy
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then for the most part you know other
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than my fist cream physical exam I maybe
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I may do an x-ray if you’re coughing or
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something like that but we wouldn’t do
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that extensive
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work up because you have the appropriate
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flora whereas a baby doesn’t so when
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you’re staying at home sheltering at
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home from prolonged periods of time
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you’re not you’re not going you’re not
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you’re not going out you’re not in term
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intermingling with society your flora go
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down and that predisposes you to
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infection when you’re cleaning your
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hands you know you’re wiping it with
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sanitizer 15 times a day
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you’re killing off your good bugs and
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that’s that’s kind of some of the
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negative effects of social isolation and
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we’re not saying social isolation was
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was was not warranted initially it was
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and we’ve done that for a couple of
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months where do we go from here is the
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question do we take Sweden’s model and
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open up like dr. Erickson said open up
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schools and look at the number of cases
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how many cases of Cova do we have you
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know we try one thing see if it works we
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try something else and you gradually
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open up the economy I realized we
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couldn’t do that initially because kovat
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is a new virus but over 19 but now we
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have some data from reputable sources
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like up north we have data that this
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this virus is kind of everywhere and the
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fatality is not as high as we think
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either you examined any coated patients
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oh yeah absolutely I’ve had many
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patients who have kovat and have
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pneumonia and what is it like I mean
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first of all I want to know is there
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something in particular about this
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disease we’ve been hearing reports you
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know I’m here in New York we’ve been
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hearing reports from doctors and nurses
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that this is unlike other things that
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they’ve seen in the way it presents it
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may be that the death rate is in fact
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around the equivalent to a severe
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seasonal flu and I think the
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epidemiology from even from the
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government side may start to bear that
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out
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but the though they will say the social
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distancing that accomplished this but
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what have you noted about the way in
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which this disease presents and have you
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found treatment regimes that work and
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and and others that are perhaps harmful
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well we don’t work in an inpatient
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setting we work we don’t work in the
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hospital so that I don’t have the level
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of experience that a physician that’s
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working in the emergency room in New
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York will have because we haven’t had
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that many cases but the patients that I
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have seen here that were older that had
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a fever that on exam had pneumonia they
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didn’t look that bad
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but maybe we caught it early they didn’t
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look that bad you know we we evaluated
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the patient did a chest x-ray did a
22:43
history and physical exam first and
22:45
foremost and did a chest x-ray and they
22:48
had pneumonia and we we started them on
22:52
appropriate antibiotics for a 74 year
22:55
old gentleman and did a kovat test and
22:58
the Cova test came back a couple days
23:00
later and I didn’t prescribe him
23:02
anything at the time and I haven’t
23:04
followup with his primary care physician
23:06
he presented like a normal person would
23:09
with pneumonia usually the tryout of no
23:12
mo pneumonia his fever coffin you know
23:14
fever cough and chest pain and he I
23:16
believe he had a fever on cough so some
23:19
of the other folks that were positive
23:21
didn’t have any symptoms at all they
23:23
were sent here from their boss sent him
23:26
in here because they were you know
23:28
they’re operating a business and they
23:30
want to make sure that everybody is is
23:33
you know is Kovac negative and a lot of
23:35
folks that we’ve tested that were
23:36
positive had absolutely no symptoms at
23:38
all did you guys do blood oxygen level
23:41
tests or anything like that would would
23:43
you have been involved in some in doing
23:45
that level of tests we check the pulse
23:47
oximetry whenever they arrive and most
23:49
of our people you know have a pulse
23:51
oximetry above 95% occasionally we would
23:55
have someone a little bit lower and if
23:56
if they’re if their oxygen level as
23:58
though they go to the ER and they’re
24:00
managed there so patients that are
24:02
critical like what you’re asking about
24:03
is not really what we do here in the in
24:06
the urgent care outpatient center we get
24:08
most people that have a very mild cough
24:11
or they have a very mild fever and they
24:14
otherwise feel basically normal so most
24:17
the patient’s we see had a very very
24:19
mild form of disease and if you
24:21
from what the epidemiologists tell me
24:23
that is the vast majority of these
24:26
millions of cases we see globally have
24:29
very mild to no symptoms in fact per the
24:32
data described by the doctor the
24:35
epidemiologists in Sweden so we’re not
24:38
we’re not seeing other devastating cases
24:41
we currently have 847 resident cases in
24:45
Kern County at a nine hundred thousand
24:47
we’ve had five Kern County resident
24:50
deaths and and nine non-resident cases
24:54
so again this is out of almost a million
24:57
people you spoke about comorbidities an
25:01
objection could be raised that so many
25:03
Americans have comorbidities like you
25:06
know forty percent obesity or you know
25:09
the diabetes rate or what have you so
25:10
how how are we to make a transition back
25:14
into the world if in fact so great a
25:17
percentage of Americans are in fact do
25:20
in fact have comorbidities well just
25:22
because you have comorbidities doesn’t
25:25
mean you’re gonna have significant
25:26
disease like for instance if you have a
25:29
chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
25:31
which restricts your lung volume you’re
25:34
gonna you’re going to be more
25:35
susceptible to a kovat infection that’s
25:38
a little worse because it is a
25:39
respiratory illness but a lot of people
25:42
with diabetes and heart disease had very
25:45
mild illness so comorbidities is not
25:49
essentially a death sentence for you it
25:51
means that if you get Kovac you might
25:53
you might have a little worse time with
25:55
it but the again the vast majority of
25:59
people from doctor geese ik and dr. Teng
26:02
Nell from Sweden have said the vast
26:04
majority of people we’re seeing have
26:06
very mild to no symptoms John if you
26:09
don’t mind one thing I’d like to talk
26:11
about is herd immunity and vaccinations
26:14
herd herd immunity is critical because
26:16
herd immunity is how these viruses burn
26:20
themselves out and in Sweden per doctor
26:23
geese egg they say that every year the
26:26
flu comes in the flu spreads
26:29
person-to-person respiratory droplet it
26:32
spikes and it comes back to
26:33
in our in our County it’s typically from
26:36
December through March is our typical
26:39
cycle for flu it comes in and it burns
26:42
itself out by hurting hurt immunity once
26:44
it hits about 70 to 80 percent now if we
26:47
have a vaccine which we do for flu it
26:50
pushes us to herd immunity quicker the
26:53
the vaccine is not a perfect science
26:55
because not everyone will take the
26:57
vaccine and then the vaccine will work
27:00
per the CDC’s website on about 30 to 40
27:03
percent of people depending on how well
27:05
it’s matched to the strain that year so
27:08
the the vaccine is not necessarily the
27:10
end-all be-all for viral type illnesses
27:13
some illness is it completely wipes them
27:15
out some illness is like like a flu
27:17
virus
27:18
it helps us push us toward herd immunity
27:20
herd immunity is how every country will
27:24
get rid of kovat and it’s how it’s it’s
27:27
the reason why the Swedish are allowing
27:30
people to mingle together because the
27:32
logic is they will get to herd immunity
27:34
quicker than isolating people which
27:37
flattens the curve which prolongs the
27:40
disease process and exposes us to a
27:42
possible secondary spike although we are
27:45
ready for that as I shared earlier the
27:48
hospitals have a low census and they are
27:50
they have surge capacity ready for if we
27:53
have a lot more patients with coded so
27:56
you don’t think we need to have a
27:58
vaccine in order to get out of lockdown
28:02
no I the vaccine I I think is it’s
28:05
probably more than a year away per you
28:08
know somewhat I’ve heard from the
28:10
administration I think it’s gonna take a
28:12
while to get it but whether we have a
28:14
vaccine or we don’t I / again / the
28:17
epidemiologist you’re gonna I’m gonna
28:19
keep saying that because that’s what I’m
28:20
taking my data from they have said we
28:23
will reach herd immunity
28:25
with or without a vaccine the vaccine
28:28
helps us to get on the back side of the
28:31
curve faster and reach herd immunity
28:33
faster so a vaccine will be great but we
28:36
didn’t have a vaccine for SARS we don’t
28:38
have a vaccine for the common cold a lot
28:41
of viruses we don’t have vaccines for
28:43
and yet they move through our our people
28:45
every year and they
28:47
themselves out through herd immunity I
28:49
think one thing to add is you have to
28:53
protect the old you have to protect the
28:55
frail population you have to protect
28:59
those that have severe
29:00
immunodeficiencies and those that are
29:04
likely to not do well and you have to do
29:08
this in a stepwise fashion and you have
29:11
to make sure folks aren’t able to visit
29:13
nursing homes which is I think one of
29:15
one of sweden’s mistakes that dr. D CK
29:18
had mentioned that one of the reasons
29:21
Sweden does have as many deaths they
29:24
would have had far less deaths is
29:26
because of the fact that their nursing
29:29
homes are much larger than their
29:30
counterpart Norway and they allowed
29:33
visitors initially now there there’s a
29:38
lot of conflicting opinion about Sweden
29:41
that there was a Times story today New
29:45
York Times story that lauded it as a
29:47
success but there was a comment that’s
29:50
being sent around that says that the
29:53
death rate in Sweden they they say is
29:57
233 des permille e’en and there are rate
30:01
six times that of Finland and three
30:04
times that of Denmark
30:05
so granted they are they I know I’ve
30:10
heard them say they did is not as good a
30:13
job sheltering the old as they would
30:14
have liked but are those figures enough
30:18
to sort of to call Sweden a failure or
30:22
do you is that I mean or do those
30:23
figures make sense from what you’ve seen
30:25
no one can answer that we’re not through
30:27
the disease cycle yet and so we’re all
30:30
gonna look back on data in a few months
30:32
and we’re gonna decide which strategy
30:34
was most effective this exact question
30:36
was asked by dr. Anders Teng Nell who’s
30:40
a chief you know epidemiologist in
30:43
Sweden they asked him that a couple days
30:45
ago and his answer was we’ll see he said
30:49
we’re all going through this together
30:51
this is a novel this is a new virus it’s
30:54
behaving in some ways like flu and in
30:56
some ways not like flu and as
30:58
different respiratory components and as
31:00
a little more of aggressive spread rate
31:02
so really to to say anybody’s method is
31:06
the best right now is premature we have
31:09
to allow the full disease cycle to go
31:11
and then we will look back on everyone’s
31:13
data for instance which which country
31:17
had the disease first and did it come to
31:19
the metropolitan areas did it start in
31:21
the rural areas that all makes a
31:23
difference to how fast the disease moves
31:26
how much death rate you have you know
31:28
what’s the population like in Sweden
31:31
versus Finland and Norway do they have
31:34
you know let’s you have to look at the
31:36
culture and what is there and the type
31:38
of people and the lifestyle there’s all
31:39
kinds of factors that play in so I think
31:42
it’s it’s premature at this point to say
31:44
one is better than the other what we do
31:47
know is that the collateral damage of
31:50
shut down affects nearly every single
31:53
American and that’s why we’re gonna keep
31:56
coming back to the fact that we have to
31:59
do something that reduces the collateral
32:01
damage that is affecting everyone would
32:03
it have been more helpful for you as
32:05
physicians on the ground if there had
32:08
been a national kind of testing a
32:11
randomized testing campaign most likely
32:14
an antibody testing campaign begun a lot
32:17
sooner so we have a real sense of what
32:19
the case fatality rate was yeah yeah I
32:23
mean the more the more data we have like
32:25
that would absolutely allow us to
32:27
extrapolate the the difficulty is in the
32:30
logistics because again I’m gonna come
32:33
back to this point this is a new virus
32:35
we’re not used to dancing with this
32:37
virus the flu were used to and the flu
32:41
testing is ubiquitous and the flu test
32:44
is everywhere and not everybody is
32:46
reporting all their flu tests because we
32:47
do millions of flu tests and I think but
32:50
again the first year that was flu was
32:53
seen we didn’t have the test for it so
32:55
when a new virus comes in you have to
32:57
ramp up your testing the labs have to
33:00
develop the serologic test the PCR test
33:02
then they have to study those tests and
33:04
verify them and then bring them out to
33:06
society so it’s this long process of
33:09
getting FDA approval it takes
33:12
you know weeks two months at best case
33:14
and then you have to run it on the
33:16
community and verify your results so I
33:18
think I think the labs and the
33:20
scientists are doing an absolutely great
33:23
job getting this test out there but it
33:25
takes time and then you have to think
33:28
about the logistics if you if you tell
33:30
me okay dr. Erickson we want you to test
33:32
a million people that’s a tall order
33:35
it’s a tall order for the entire medical
33:37
community we don’t test the whole
33:38
community for anything so I think it’s a
33:41
little bit unrealistic to say we’re
33:43
gonna test everyone I think you test
33:46
segments of the population randomly and
33:48
you put them in studies and then you
33:50
kind of extrapolate the data out to make
33:53
a decision your best decision on like
33:55
for instance this year you know we’re
33:57
gonna make our best estimate how many
33:59
flu cases we have is that an exact
34:01
number
34:01
no it’s an estimate because we didn’t
34:03
test all 328 million people in the
34:05
United States got yet now to the health
34:11
effects of the lockdown or just some of
34:13
the contradictions in it you you
34:15
mentioned and again from a health
34:17
perspective does does it make sense to
34:20
allow say the Walmart of the Costco to
34:23
be open and not the local pizza place is
34:26
there any science that you’re aware of
34:29
that backs that up
34:31
well I I’d like to take you through a
34:34
typical day we we both went to a bike
34:36
store last week and we were able to sit
34:39
with a bike salesman and talk about
34:41
bikes for what an hour we sat there with
34:44
an hour no masks and we were able to sit
34:46
there for an hour and then we went over
34:49
to a restaurant across the street to
34:50
have lunch and we couldn’t sit down
34:52
because of social distancing and then we
34:55
said oh we need to go get some supplies
34:56
at Costco there’s hundreds of people in
34:59
Costco and we can stand in the aisle and
35:01
talk but I can’t go to the little
35:04
restaurant across the street and then I
35:07
stopped by Del Taco on the way home and
35:10
there was multiple workers in the back
35:12
and they’re making your food not
35:14
necessarily wearing masks and I’m going
35:17
how does this make sense where I can go
35:19
to someplace like Costco and mingle with
35:21
people but I can’t you can’t go to
35:23
church you can’t
35:24
go to restaurant it this sort of picking
35:27
and choosing to me and I ran this by dr.
35:30
with Taos Key this morning when I
35:31
interviewed him and I said does this
35:33
make sense to you as an epidemiologist
35:35
he said absolutely not
35:37
he said the virus will move through
35:40
society as as it does whether you lock
35:44
down or not people are making deliveries
35:46
people are going to Costco Home Depot
35:48
Walmart they’re shopping they’re going
35:51
to the beaches the virus is going to
35:53
move through society whether you lock it
35:55
down or not what do you think and
36:00
document see if you want to say anything
36:02
please jump in but what what do you
36:03
think will happen if we continue the
36:07
lockdown I mean you know we’re talking
36:09
about here in New York they’re gonna
36:11
release us sometime partially in mid-may
36:14
maybe you know other other places San
36:18
Francisco I think has just talked about
36:20
going through all of May and early June
36:24
being released so what what what these
36:26
from a health perspective what sort of
36:29
effects are we gonna see if we keep
36:31
people penned in for that long well I
36:35
think you’re gonna have a spike in cases
36:37
once we open up you’re definitely gonna
36:39
have a spike that’s unpreventable but I
36:43
think you have to look at the risks
36:45
versus the benefits of that spike is
36:47
that spike worth are the dangers of that
36:50
spike worth keeping folks home for
36:52
longer periods of time and I think you
36:55
have to open up in a systematic fashion
36:57
we’ve been avoiding the inevitable like
36:59
in other words as this is the Wachowski
37:01
and what you guys are seeing and seeing
37:04
is that this thing is going to have to
37:06
go through anyway and we’ve just
37:08
sheltered the wrong people in the wrong
37:09
ways we yeah I mean
37:12
referencing dr. kiseki out of Sweden and
37:16
he even said it best he says in order
37:19
for a virus to move through a community
37:22
you have to let it move through a
37:23
community you have to protect the old
37:25
and the frail you have to protect the
37:26
immunodeficient and you have to let it
37:29
move through the community to develop
37:31
her community excuse me a herd immunity
37:34
the longer we shelter in place the
37:37
longer social isolation occurs the
37:40
longer it’s going to take to reach that
37:42
70 to 80 percent mark of herd immunity
37:43
and so I think I think it’s inevitable
37:48
that folks are gonna get sick and
37:52
unfortunately some folks are not going
37:54
to do well with coronavirus but those
37:56
same folks wouldn’t are not going to do
37:58
well with influenza so unfortunately
38:03
some some folks I mean and it’s not
38:06
something physicians like to talk about
38:07
but some folks are not going to do well
38:10
with any virus because they’ve had four
38:13
heart attacks they have you know heart
38:15
failure or they have immunodeficiency or
38:18
they have you know really bad diabetes
38:21
or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
38:24
they’re not going to do well if they get
38:26
pneumonia they’re not going to do well
38:29
anyways so I think you have to protect
38:33
those folks and open up in a stepwise
38:35
fashion but I don’t think I think it’s
38:37
inevitable I think it’s gonna happen
38:38
whether you’re locked down or not just
38:41
briefly I mean you guys spoke so
38:43
eloquently about this during a press
38:45
conference but just imagining a new
38:47
audience here could you just briefly go
38:49
through what some of the health impacts
38:52
leaving the virus out of it for a moment
38:54
what are some of the health impacts of
38:56
remaining sheltered in this way it was
38:59
quarantined in this way well I think
39:03
it’s you know just from you know
39:05
patients coming in here we’re seeing a
39:07
lot of loneliness depression I don’t
39:11
have statistics I’m just merely
39:13
repeating what patients are telling us
39:15
coming in here I have business owners
39:17
today that have told me if we don’t
39:19
change in the next two weeks I’m likely
39:22
gonna go out of business and I have two
39:24
small businesses that have been
39:25
feeding my family for years other owners
39:28
of salons cosmetic industries that have
39:33
texting me about an hour ago said I
39:36
cannot I cannot keep my business going
39:39
like this I’ve had to let my employees
39:42
go they’re having some depression some
39:45
anxiety at home so I think we’re we’re
39:49
kind of in this together as Americans
39:50
we’re we’re lonely isolating from our
39:53
friends were away from our church
39:55
support groups we’re not seeing our
39:57
elderly parents so it’s causing a lot of
40:00
things in society a lot of I’m calling
40:02
it collateral damage that to me is
40:05
becoming the largest burden for us to
40:08
carry the the virus is a heavy load and
40:11
I don’t want to underestimate what
40:12
places like New York or going through
40:14
they’ve had a lot of death you know
40:16
they’ve they’ve had a lot of sickness
40:19
they’ve had a lot of fear but I also
40:21
want to look at the country as a whole
40:22
and say let’s be responsible and not let
40:26
the collateral damage spin out of
40:28
control to where it it’s a much bigger
40:31
problem than the virus itself do you
40:35
have anything to add to that doctor no I
40:38
think I think that’s right on and on top
40:40
of everything is you know folks are home
40:43
you know they’re they’re upset they’re
40:45
drinking because they don’t have a job
40:47
substance abuse is happening domestic
40:50
violence is happening child abuse is
40:53
occurring all all because of secondary
40:56
effects and I feel bad for the average
41:00
American they’re there at home they live
41:02
paycheck to paycheck they can’t survive
41:04
what are they gonna do if they’re in
41:05
lockdown for another two months they
41:07
don’t have a job they’re not getting
41:08
paid how are they supposed to feed their
41:10
children I mean we’re not interested in
41:13
that well and they they they say oh
41:15
don’t worry twelve hundred dollars is
41:17
coming but twelve hundred dollars that
41:19
doesn’t take you very far in this
41:21
economy if you have you know two or
41:23
three kids and you’ve got a house
41:25
payment and a couple cars 1200 is not
41:28
going to is not going to make up for the
41:30
two months of income you lost so I think
41:33
we just have to be real mindful of the
41:35
fact
41:36
that let’s do the greatest good for the
41:38
greatest number of people at this time
41:40
which is moving the economy the the
41:44
economy towards an open position let’s
41:47
let’s use let’s look at the the data
41:49
coming from Sweden and other places and
41:51
let’s see if we can learn something from
41:53
them and we want to be part of the
41:55
solution our ultimate goal is how is our
41:58
how is our knowledge and our our medical
42:01
practice and our opinions how do we get
42:03
them to be helpful and to be something
42:07
that we all can can work together on to
42:09
get the get the community open and get
42:11
us all back to work as physician how do
42:13
you feel when you see someone who
42:16
literally has no credentials as a doctor
42:19
or an epidemiologist I’m talking about
42:22
someone like Bill Gates now being asked
42:25
how to get out of this crisis you know
42:28
what his thoughts and opinions are on
42:31
all this I mean you guys have been
42:33
criticized for you know not having the
42:36
you know just the right credential to
42:39
talk about this though it seems to me as
42:41
physicians and doing the kind of work
42:43
you’re doing the testing you do but do
42:46
you it make does it seem strange to you
42:49
that someone like mr. gates should be
42:52
the Oracle of this no it’s what makes
42:56
America a great place to live we can
42:59
have dissenting opinions we can get
43:01
opinions from people with not with no
43:03
background we can go back and forth and
43:06
we’re not you know shooting at each
43:07
other this is this is what makes the
43:09
country great I welcome dissenting
43:11
opinions if if in this country we aren’t
43:13
allowed to make dissenting opinions then
43:16
we have a problem a lot of the different
43:18
countries don’t allow dissenting
43:20
opinions if you don’t agree with
43:22
everyone else you are hammered down in
43:25
this country we can have least I hope so
43:28
we can have an open debate you can share
43:30
your ideas I share my ideas and we come
43:33
up to a conclusion in a civil manner
43:35
that to me is a sophisticated society
43:38
well that’s what a liberal education is
43:40
a liberal education is
43:42
same thing being able to share ideas and
43:46
respecting each other’s ideas and
43:48
learning from each other respectfully
43:51
great answer guys I mean of course the
43:53
problem is is that Bill Gates has an
43:55
enormous platform and you guys were
43:57
taken off of yours right anyway yeah I
44:01
built Bill Gates has has provided an
44:03
incredible service I mean what a company
44:06
Microsoft has been you know there’s no
44:08
question about his credentials I think
44:11
people that have accomplished great
44:12
things I I welcome their ideas I don’t
44:16
you know when I when I think about Elon
44:18
Musk and some of these brilliant minds
44:21
if they want to chime in on the
44:22
discussion please let’s get around a
44:24
table let’s get this dialed in these
44:27
people are brilliant I am all for
44:30
solutions they’re right solution no
44:32
matter which mind it comes from if they
44:34
have a great solution let’s use that
44:36
mind let’s not let’s not get too
44:38
concerned with you don’t have the
44:40
perfect credentials to solve the problem
44:42
you mentioned that you were going around
44:44
to some of the stores and popping into
44:47
the gun store and that the ammo was was
44:50
gone missing and it had been all bought
44:52
up what what is your sense of the
44:54
temperature of the people in the
44:56
community how are they
44:58
enduring this and what are they thinking
45:00
well they’re generally frustrated I
45:02
think people are hurting right now I
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think that’s a pretty common feeling in
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Kern County and different areas I’ve
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driven to is people are afraid they’re
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in lockdown they’re not working I mean
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there’s that there’s a sense of
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frustration I think frustration I mean
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our our video got millions of hits and a
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lot of the people are like finally
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someone is is pushing forward for a
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solution to get us back to work and and
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help to decrease the collateral damage
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so I would say from my readings
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frustration is the number one thing I’m
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hearing from Americans who are not
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allowed to carry on with their life
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right now do you think that the people
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in your community would submit to a
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mandatory vaccination regime
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little bit vaccine I don’t think so I
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think it’s appropriate to give give
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people the option for a vaccine like flu
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you know when you start telling people
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you have to do something you have no
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choice you know hurt it helps to herd
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immunity the vaccination is increases
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our peak towards herd immunity
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it’ll happen regardless but it is
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helpful there’s no question about that
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so I I don’t think we should force
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people to have a vaccine
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okay now final words from you guys just
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anything you want to address I think we
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just this is a time where we should all
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listen to each other learn from each
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other and come up with solutions to move
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to move California for and move the
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country forward and that was our our
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goal when we gave the press conference
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is to kind of chat with our community we
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didn’t think it was going to go viral
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and global but we just wanted to share
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our data and and you know show folks
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that this is this is what we found and
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what we would appreciate is constructive
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criticism and a solution a solution to
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open America back up again
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you

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