PRESIDENTIAL; The Proceedings of the Disunited Democracy; TWO TICKETS NOMINATED (6/25/1860)

New York Times archives - Times Machine ^ | 6/25/1860

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Special Dispatch to the New-York Times. BALTIMORE, Sunday June, 24. We have assurances from persons who ought to know that both BRECKINRIDGE and LANE will accept their nominations by the Convention of seceders. It is the game of the Southern wing to defeat an election by the people and carry it into Congress, where they think they are reasonably certain of electing BRECKINRIDGE. The Douglas men here speak openly of preferring LINCOLN's election to such a result. YANCEY and other extremists are delighted at the prospect. They say that they can either elect BRECKINRIDGE in the House and thus perpetuate their control over the Government, or else elect LINCOLN, which will give them an opportunity to rally the South in favor of dissolution. The city is entirely deserted. H.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

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Bleeding Kansas, Dred Scott, Lincoln-Douglas, Harper’s Ferry, the election of 1860, secession – all the events leading up to the Civil War, as seen through news reports of the time and later historical accounts

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The Proceedings of the Disunited Democracy; Nomination of Douglas and Fitzpatrick by the Regulars; Breckinridge and Lane the Candidates of the Seceders – 2-6
The Nominations in Washington – 6
Editorial: The Baltimore Convention-The Democratic Candidates – 6-7
Police Reports – 7
Coroners’ Inquests – 7

[HighSierra5]

The irony and parallels to CWI are eerie. The communists now are acting like the Confederates by pushing for a twisted racial segregation and other similarities. The Rats are the ones that want to basically secede from a Union that wants to be unified in liberty. I pray that the outcome is the same with reason and justice overcomes anarchy. I still admire the Confederate passion and historic effort to support their cause because in the end we’re all Americans except the Marxist insurrection.

[colorado tanker]

This pretty much seals the deal for Lincoln and the Republicans. The only way to head that off is to deny him a majority of EC votes and throw the election into the House, but even there the North has more votes.

[Scott from the Left Coast]

We ARE again a disunited nation. And really, it seems unlikely that anything but a terrible war can rectify that.

[scrabblehack]

for presidential elections it’s the number of delegations not the number of votes.

Dems did hold a slight advantage but were all of them going to support Breckinridge over Douglas?

[scrabblehack]

Elections were a bit staggered back then but a deadlocked presidential election would have gone to the House some time between Nov 6 1860 and Mar 4 1861.

At the close of 1859,
Democrats held a majority in 15 delegations
Republicans in 15 delegations
1 delegation (TN) - “opposition.’ (Bell)
KY - 5 Democrats, 5 opposition (Bell)
NC - 4 Democrats, 4 opposition (Breckinridge)
MD - 3 Democrats, 3 know nothings (Breckinridge)

Oct 9 1860 - IN switched from D to R. (Lincoln)
DE switched from D to Unionist
(but voted for Breckinridge)
NJ switched from R to D (voted for Douglas)

For Breckinridge to have won in the House, Democrats would have held their ranks plus get at least one other state.

[scrabblehack]

Elections were a bit staggered back then but a deadlocked presidential election would have gone to the House some time between Nov 6 1860 and Mar 4 1861.

At the close of 1859,
Democrats held a majority in 15 delegations
Republicans in 15 delegations
1 delegation (TN) - “opposition.’ (Bell)
KY - 5 Democrats, 5 opposition (Bell)
NC - 4 Democrats, 4 opposition (Breckinridge)
MD - 3 Democrats, 3 know nothings (Breckinridge)

Oct 9 1860 - IN switched from D to R. (Lincoln)
DE switched from D to Unionist
(but voted for Breckinridge)
NJ switched from R to D (voted for Douglas)

For Breckinridge to have won in the House, Democrats would have held their ranks plus get at least one other state.

[colorado tanker]

Interesting. Thanks.