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CERN Makes Bold Push to Build $23-Billion Super Collider
Scientific American ^ | June 19, 2020 | By Davide Castelvecchi, Elizabeth Gibney, Nature magazine

Posted on 06/21/2020 7:59:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: reasonisfaith

I don’t get it.

It’s not like physics are a dark art.

Don’t they realize they were given the intellect and ability to build such things from God?

Do they also realize that they know almost NOTHING still.

So many times going WAY back, men of science thought they knew all there was to know.

None have ever or will ever be right.

I guess they can be used as a dark art. I dunno much on the subject.

It is disheartening however.


21 posted on 06/21/2020 8:47:25 PM PDT by dp0622 (The very future of tihe Republic is at stake. We now know dems will do ANYTHING to win.)
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To: Jamestown1630

Yeah that whole biocentrism thing kind of blows my mind.

If not observed, dis it not happen?

Is there a different universe for every possible outcome of every event?

That would be a number that is basically infinite.

I need a drink.


22 posted on 06/21/2020 8:49:21 PM PDT by dp0622 (The very future of tihe Republic is at stake. We now know dems will do ANYTHING to win.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Yeh, open a portal to another dimension and see what comes through. Oh goody demons and ANTIFA.


23 posted on 06/21/2020 8:51:17 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: BenLurkin

I once told CERN, “no, you can not transfer data faster then the speed of light, even with compression of the data” across the pond to the universities in the US that they wanted to study the data. This was in the 90’s. They offered more money to achieve the goal, I had to write a technical response, then go to Geneva and tell them it was not technically possible in our current understanding of physics and data transmission over undersea fiber. I am not sure why I needed to explain that considering the audience, but we did win the contract.


24 posted on 06/21/2020 8:51:48 PM PDT by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga #Godwins)
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To: BenLurkin

I saw the obviously Satanic dedication ceremony of the tunnel-combine that with the statue of Shiva the destroyer, and I’d be inclined to say just shut it all down and demolish it.


25 posted on 06/21/2020 8:54:17 PM PDT by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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To: BenLurkin

They aint gonna stop till they trigger a black hole....

Off em all now.


26 posted on 06/21/2020 8:58:01 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: dp0622

Oh, I’ve been drinking since the first lecture I heard on the ‘double-slit’.

But to my untutored mind, it seems to indicate - among myriad other possibilities - that an observer somehow *determines* what ‘happens’.

(Which opens up even more mind-boggling issues...)


27 posted on 06/21/2020 8:58:12 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630

Dude, It’s a parlor trick. Nothing more.


28 posted on 06/21/2020 8:59:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Jamestown1630

Oh, I’ve been drinking since the first lecture I heard on the ‘double-slit’...

ROFL!!!

Yeah I love reading about that stuff.

That wacky thing where particles can be incredibly far apart yet what happens to one will instantly happen to the other also...

OK...

Either there is a string-like connection between the two made of something we can’t see or detect yet...

Or we are really living in one big illusion and who the heck knows what’s real? :)

I like the Last Thursday Theory

It was started as an insult to religions but some scientists said it’s just as plausible as some other idea.

It goes like this..there was nothing before last Thursday...and everything you remember was planted in your mind and everything, including you, was created last Thursday. :)


29 posted on 06/21/2020 9:05:25 PM PDT by dp0622 (The very future of tihe Republic is at stake. We now know dems will do ANYTHING to win.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Well, the ancient people to whom we now refer as ‘Gnostics’ thought that the material universe WAS the creation of a ‘lesser’ god; and that there was a Supreme God who could be reached by realising that this ‘world’ is an illusion, and learning to see through it via inner spiritual development.

I don’t think they meant that literally in the way that we might take it; but so far, it has unnerved me just as the double-slit has done - because I don’t think those old Gnostics were stupid guys, and I don’t think our modern physicists have been stupid, either.


30 posted on 06/21/2020 9:06:47 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: BenLurkin

That’s ‘Dudette’, to you.


31 posted on 06/21/2020 9:08:09 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630

Do not worry. It is said by physicists that if you think you understand quantum mechanics you don’t.


32 posted on 06/21/2020 9:14:39 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Jamestown1630

33 posted on 06/21/2020 9:20:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Were you referring to this, the opening ceremony of the Gotthard Tunnel in Switzerland (which connects to CERN)?

(Viewer Discretion Advised)

https://youtu.be/zW5gklIKcDg

Why does a tunnel need a opening like THIS?!?


34 posted on 06/21/2020 9:28:09 PM PDT by avenir
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To: Rockingham

I think that’s probably because NOBODY really understands much, yet.

And every time we reach any sound ‘understanding’ of any little thing, there’s going to be another puzzle before us.

This is the inherent problem with the Great God Science, and especially with the politicization of science.

The notion that anything is ever ‘settled’ is nonsense; and it’s erroneous and insulting toward the values - and history - of science itself.


35 posted on 06/21/2020 9:28:25 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: BenLurkin

LOL!


36 posted on 06/21/2020 9:30:30 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: avenir

A lot of modern ‘artists’ are devoid of any real creativity or talent. They just go (lamely) for spectacle.

I found the whole thing very boring when I first saw it, and I still do. If they were trying to put some subliminal satanic message in there, it was completely lost on me.


37 posted on 06/21/2020 9:46:38 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: BenLurkin

I worked on a small part of the super-conducting supercollider project back around Waxahachie TX before Clinton cancelled it. (Because it was being built in Texas. Not in democrat state.)

What was that budget? 40 billion or so?
What was wasted on nothing on California’s high speed train to nowhere? 7 billion?


38 posted on 06/21/2020 10:12:56 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but ABCNNBCBS donates every hour, every night, every day of the year.)
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To: Jamestown1630
Some things get more or less settled in science, but then the foundations shift and what once seemed to explain most everything is revealed as limited to a particular context.

For example, by the early 20th Century, classical physics worked for almost everything of consequence to traditional life and ordinary perception, but then experiments with radiation showed that the atom was composed of smaller particles. New mysteries appeared, and in a remarkable burst of insight, Einstein explained that light was divisible into color spectra due to the energy of emission of photons as atoms cooled.

After decades of pondering and testing the double-slit experiment, physicists now mostly accept that consciousness is required to explain material phenomena and material existence itself. The implications are recognized in that profession, which now tends to have a relatively high rate of religious belief in comparison to the social sciences.

Indeed, the standard model of physics has been referred to as philosophically a form of panpsychism. And it has been said that physics is now not just an effort to learn God's rules for the Universe, but also a search for proof that God Himself exists. And so I am all for bigger particle accelerators.

39 posted on 06/21/2020 10:37:39 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: BenLurkin

Please tell me that we’re not going to help fund this stupid thing. We did right in cancelling the Super-Conducting Super-Collider. We have a right to ask what we’re getting for our money. Considering the lack of anything meaningful from the LHC, that question should be asked early and often. (Reference the book “The Higgs Fake”, https://www.amazon.com/Higgs-Fake-Particle-Physicists-Committee-ebook/dp/B00FOU0CXG/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8. I swear it’s not foil-hat conspiracy crap.)


40 posted on 06/21/2020 10:57:10 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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