Posted on 06/11/2020 9:58:18 AM PDT by Lions Gate
There is more body cam video coming of Floyd resisting arrest and crawling out the other side of the police car.
If the evidence is true Floyd had a mixture of meth and fentanyl, Floyd contribute to his own death too driving his heart rate to the extreme while resisting.
MeganC: “complaining that he “couldn’t breathe” long before anyone put a knee on him”
If true Floyd was already having medical issues before the Knee.
I would say resisting arrest is relevant on the level of charge.
We do not have all the info, we will have to trust court system to decide what happen and live with in.
Really, we just had one shot by the police he was attacking bystanders with a machete.
Folks on drugs are inherently extremely dangerous.
You’d be okay with it if it were someone you love being held down like that until they died?
This is why I put the blame on the person doing it, the department chief approving it, the mayor that appointed the chief and the voters that elected the mayor.
If an officer shoots an unarmed perp running from the scene of the crime and it turns out to be your innocent brother, and it is considered approved police procedure to do that, the problem is not the cop. It is the department that approves the procedure. Of course, if you can prove the cop knew the guy was innocent, that’s a different story.
But as the facts come in, this case could really morph into something other than what many of us think it is. It happened with the Zimmerman/Martin case.
Look, folks...you can argue this gig one way or another....but, you can be 100% sure the real truth will come forward from the four cops defense lawyers during the upcoming trail. Stay tuned this story has many legs..period.
However...if Mr. Floyd was breathing heavy and gasping for air before he was on the ground, the cops should have cuffed him and called for EMT/AMT medical help, immediately!!! It appears he was either sick or overdosed on drugs. He certainly did not deserve to die!!!
So he fought for 3 minutes, that doesn’t explain why he wasn’t put in the car at the end of that three minutes. Nothing is going to excuse what was done.
more of the same that is always expected from the media/dem complex. They spread lies to whip up riots that they can manipulate to gain power for themselves. Remember how MSNBC altered George Zimmerman’s 911 call, how they ran a picture of Martin when he was 12 years old, the “hands up don’t shoot” and “gentle giant” lies about Michael Brown. Well, this time they really set the stage for the current insurrection.
I’m not saying how it is GOING to go. I’m saying how it MAY go.
Remember zimmerman/Martin. Remember Rodney King. The court of public opinion got both of those wrong.
Heck, even O.J. Simpson, but fortunately the disappointed side doesn’t riot.
We know
He was carrying drugs.
He was high on drugs and acting in a belligerent and dangerous manner.
He had COVID.
He was actively resisting arrest over a prolonged period and had to be restrained.
He was yelling he couldn’t breathe long before they restrained him.
Yes, we know all that. And how many of those things was Floyd doing while he was handcuffed, unconscious and being beaten by that dirty cop for near 3 minutes? None of them, obviously.
You really think a beating like this won’t be happening at a Trump rally in the future? What do you think is going to happen when all these white cops quit and are replaced by racially programmed “minority” cops?
You really need to stop playing racial checkers and war game game out the consequences of government agents behaving in this violent manner. Defacto supporting these dirty cops will not end well for conservatives. Guaranteed.
Wheres the rest of it ???
Emotions? LOL. I’m dealing in facts. You’re dissembling which is defacto support of these dirty cops.
Have you ever prepared for a debate in school? You pretend you are the other side and try to destroy your own position. It allows you to see which of your arguments are based on facts and which are based on inferences. There is a lot of “these cops are scum” comments being made on the interwebs that is based on inference. I try to focus on what we KNOW, as opposed to what we BELIEVE. Personally, I believe the cops are guilty (at least the one with the knee on the neck). But my comments are not about what I believe. They are about what we KNOW vs what we believe.
And so far, we (arm chair judges) don’t really know all that much.
“If an officer shoots an unarmed perp running from the scene of the crime and it turns out to be your innocent brother, and it is considered approved police procedure to do that, the problem is not the cop.”
‘Following orders’ is also not an excuse.
>> Befehl ist Befehl <<
It is easy to Monday morning quarterback.
Obviously, Floyd had to be subdued.
Obviously, the neck restraint was an approved method, by the MPD.
Not so obviously, there have been numerous reports Floyd complained he could not breath long before the neck restraint was applied.
Was the neck restraint kept on for too long?
Yes, because it was bad optics
Did the neck restraint cause his death.
Probably not.
Was it a contributing factor? Maybe.
Going back to Rodney King, the public looks at a few minutes or seconds of graphic video, and decides that's all that's needed to form an opinion. "Hey, it's all right there on tape."
Here's the problem with that: there is always context that the first, incendiary footage doesn't show that is directly relevant to the use of force. The media narrative ALWAYS omits the preceding events -- in the Rodney King case, a half hour long car chase, King's aggression and assaultive behavior before the on-scene LAPD sergeant assumed command over the female CHP officer, etc. etc. etc. Which is why the first jury absolved the officers.
In the present case, the evidence is still trickling out, and one big question everyone should be asking is "where's the body cam footage?" Do you think that it's being withheld because it makes the officers look worse? Or maybe it adds context that makes things look a little less callous.
So, unless you think it's perfectly fine for someone to be under the influence of narcotics and meth, in public, trying to start a car and drive away, you'll want someone to detain that individual and either take him to jail, or as in this case, the jail ward in a hospital.
But if that individual decides to resist, you have two choices, as far as I can see. Walk away, and say "Sorry, we asked him, but he didn't want to come", or use force. And once it comes to force, things can get unpredictable. It's not some precisely calibrated thing that can be instantly turned on and then off, undesirable things can, and will happen.
It looks to me that not one of those officers was in an agitated state, and they tried to use the minimum amount of force to effect the arrest. There were no blows, no baton strikes, and they all appeared to be following their policy manual, which allowed the scary-looking neck hold. And the autopsy says there wasn't even a bruise on Floyd, and he didn't die of asphyxia.
I don't know what the rest of the evidence will show, but these snippets of tape are not enough for anyone with a fair mind to draw a final conclusion.
I can also assure you that every police officer in the country is pondering this case, and the media and public reaction. There's a case to be made that all of these officers followed their policy manual, and the law as it stood on that day, but now everyone in the country is howling for their blood. Even so-called conservatives, all based on a few snippets of video on social media. They all now know that no one has their back, or will even give them a fair hearing. What I keep hearing, usually from the best ones, is "there's got to be a different way I can make a living."
I don't think you'll enjoy living in a country with Antifa and BLM stepping in when the current, real police decide to find other employment.
None of that has any bearing on reality.
Most of these chiefs of police, mayors, governors, bureaucrats... do whatever is politically expedient for them in that moment. They act like hyenas may it be for self preservation or benefit, but you should lay no stock in such actions (not indicative of anything). Does Chelsea Manning’s sentence being commuted by Obama mean he didn’t take terabytes of sensitive information and hand it over to Julian Assange who posted it all over the web?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html
unwitting patsy
easy scapegoat
he’s the Goldstein (1984)
that’s why
George Floyd - under the influence of cocaine and meth amphetamines at time of the resisting arrest.
Michael Brown ("Gentle Giant") - smoking weed/ cannabis and just involved in an assault, and theft and extrosion from a store owner,
shot and killed while assaulting and 'charging' at the arresting officer.
Traevon Martin - burglary suspect assaulted a 'citizen neighborhood watchman' with MMA fighting tactics,
shot and killed during self-defense assault.
Fascinating. Please show the link.
I have watched most of the video on this incident I can find, and I have not seen that.
From what I see on the video, the first 1.5 minutes, he was not resisting. He has so much drugs in his system, his movements were that of someone just trying to stand. The only resistance I saw was the last 1.5 minutes when he refused to go in the car. But, as others have said, even at that, the cops were wrong since they already had him in cuffs and he was hardly a threat.
‘Following orders’ is also not an excuse.
Our men who dropped bombs in Vietnam or in Germany KNEW they were killing innocents and “just following orders”. They could because the innocents were “collateral damage”.
What they did is very close to what you say they should have done.
Most of his resistance was done *after* he had been cuffed.
He was a very large, muscular man.
Everyone deserves to die.
We all do, eventually.
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